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[Wayward Son]

Given that we're in the same situation as this game, I have to say that I'm curious what the 'bizarre distancing tactics' encompassed.

For future reference.

[Wayward Son]

All fluff

I got to page 62.

Also, a famous scummer said "I prefer real time interrogations." - ffery

Night all

[Egix96]

@Xlos:

If I emphasise that I said "if Mix had" (and I probably should have put "had had"), does it make more sense?
I find it very unreasonable for you to be asking that question in good faith.

[Egix96]

Xlos mafia => Mix mafia

???????

It's a joke, I'm basically claiming to be a townie because the premise is false. (Unless I'm selling out my teammate lol)

I'd rather have another candidate so we can get more controversial choice, otherwise mafia will just kill lukewarm the next day and we haven't learned anything.

are you assuming that t3 is mafia and lukewarm is town here? if so then why would you not want t3 to be today's elimination?

I

think

he is saying that T3 is scum and I am town, but wants all to keep talking and trying to find a counter wagon so that the mafia will have a harder choice with their night kill? Honestly, the whole post from Xlos makes my head hurt

I'm was imagining the situation where T3 is town. But thinking about it more, the mafia killing lukewarm in the night might not make sense - I imagining they would do that since he's the most town-read so far, but this is less obviously true the next day if t3 flips town. So ignore the second part of the sentence. The point is that I think controversy is better to analyze than global agreement. It's not about me wanting or not wanting T3 to be lynched.

I think I've been posting fairly suspiciously but I haven't had that much suspicion fall on me yet

I think you have had like 4 total posts before this. And I have looked at them with a bit of suspicion, which is why I had you the category of

"I need to hear more from you so I can tell if your posts sound off because you are scum or just because you are new"

Are you saying that you have been purposefully suspicious in order to gauge how town reacted to you? wtf?

Your whole post just now gives me a headache.

No, I haven't been purposefully suspicious, I just got the feeling that some of my posts felt suspicious afterword's, since most of what I was doing was trying to make arguments on people from basically 0 evidence (day 1 is hard). Writing my posts gives me a headache too in a way; I read into things a lot... it's only going to get worse,

last game I played I had these 5-step if-then statements in every post and half the time I just had a logic error in my argument cause there was too much to keep track of.

Well, hopefully I'll do better this game.

Lukewarm (I get confused when people shorten it to Luke)
...
Mix hasn't talked too much since the start of the day

How are you gonna be confused by people shortening Lukewarm -> Luke, but also feel comfortable shortening MixLixWix-> Mix lmao

Spoiler:

unless you are also named Luke, so you think people might be talking about you

I'm not named Luke, but Lukewarm is a word with some meaning, and Luke does not have the same meaning at all. It's kind of like shortening a compound word, but is Lukewarm really a compound word? Meanwhile both MixLixWix and Mix mean nothing, and all 3 parts of the compound word are almost the same.

Forgot to do this yesterday UNVOTE: .

Like, yeah... based on this, it's unreasonable that you didn't understand.

VOTE: Xlos

[Wayward Son]

@Lukewarm

Oops yeah. I was reading through the pages in order, so although I was aware that Roden had been townreading Wayward, I had forgotten that they had explained that one line on the next page.
I brought it up because I thought it was a "better kill this person in case they change their mind" sort of thing.

@ egix Sometimes when I drink, I have a hard time sleeping (like now).

Please explain the last paragraph to me. Maybe tomorrow I'll feel dumb.

[Pavowski]

Hi everybody. I gave the thread a skim last night but I'll give it a closer read today and share some thoughts in the coming hours.

[Lukewarm]

Hi everybody. I gave the thread a skim last night but I'll give it a closer read today and share some thoughts in the coming hours.

Hello, I have 1 question for you:

Spoiler:

are you mafia?

[Wayward Son]

While laying in the dark (not sleeping),I kinda decided that I'd like to push Egix all the way to a claim. If he claims a PR, we can address it tomorrow.

[Pavowski]

Hi everybody. I gave the thread a skim last night but I'll give it a closer read today and share some thoughts in the coming hours.

Hello, I have 1 question for you:

Spoiler:

are you mafia?

Luke, great question! I am not mafia.

Okay a little more from me now that I've had my morning run and showered and feel more like a human being:

First of all I'm pretty new to online mafia. I've read some games and I'm excited to jump in, but I've only played IRL before. So I'm much more used to going with gut-checks and by "feel" than with the thoughtful, parsing analysis that seems to be the norm around here (certainly in this game. Man, you guys like to quote a lot.)

Second, man, the elimination of T3 was weird. His behavior, I mean. Not that this is new info or anything, but he certainly tried to blow a lot of smoke to cover his partner, whoever it may be. Not sure any of that did anything, though.

Third I've been rereading posts -- especially Mix's -- to try to get a feel for where he was at and ... maybe not necessarily *pick up the mantle* and try to play like he might, but at least to sort of transition in and try to maintain the game continuity, if that makes sense? Anyway: Mix seemed on board with Lukewarm, and the rest of town seems to feel that way too. And so do I! All his questioning seems very towny, and also he's got a black mage avatar, so I know he is a man of character. He (Mix) was sus of Zyla and Xlos especially, and it feels like the pressure has shifted onto Zyla for today. But he hadn't made up his mind about Wayward either. So I will keep the FOS on those 3 as a starting point.

Okay, that turned into me trying to summarize things for myself, mostly.

I'll keep reviewing and try to make some more significant contributions as we go, but that seems to be where Mix was at so that's where I'm going to try to start from.

[Lukewarm]

Pavowski, I would say in general to completely ignore every read that Mix had prior to joining, and just figure out what you think.

[Lukewarm]

Pavowski, I would say in general to completely ignore every read that Mix had prior to joining, and just figure out what you think.

If anything, read through the thread as if Mix was an not your slot, but was an Innocent Child

[Pavowski]

Thanks for the tip.

BTW I've seen the term "hero solve" a couple times in thread but -- and I swear I'm not trying to be dense -- I'm not sure I understand what it means. Is it just a callout of who you think will flip as mafia in the end?

[Pavowski]

I will make one final post this morning before I just let stuff percolate.

It's a challenge reading back thru discussions I wasn't a part of and trying to make sense of them.

But one thing I *can* make sense of -- a little bit -- is the known mafia's behavior, especially when he was under the hammer and after the hammer fell. He vouches for Roden, then harshly disagrees and reads scum on him (121). He susses wayward and egix early (20), but then townreads wayward. He townreads Xlos and Mix vaguely (157).

And finally, with his obligatory vanilla claim, he votes Egix when he's under the hammer (182).

He knows he's toast by this point. But, unless I'm much mistook, the only person he ONLY provided a scummy read on -- and never provided a conflicting townread on -- was Egix. Who he votes against as he's getting eliminated.

This could be WIFOM -- but it feels like he could be trying to make a potential partner look innocent by dint of scumreading him as suspected scum himself.

Have I tied myself into a knot? I dunno. But this is the thing I'm puzzling over the most right now. And it puts a big FOS on Egix for me, independent of anything else.

[Lukewarm]

Thanks for the tip.

BTW I've seen the term "hero solve" a couple times in thread but -- and I swear I'm not trying to be dense -- I'm not sure I understand what it means. Is it just a callout of who you think will flip as mafia in the end?

It is an almost joke guess as to who you think the scum team is given out on Day 1. Almost always wrong, but it can be funny to point back to it post game if you did manage to figure it out Day 1

[Pavowski]

I will make one final post this morning before I just let stuff percolate.

It's a challenge reading back thru discussions I wasn't a part of and trying to make sense of them.

But one thing I *can* make sense of -- a little bit -- is the known mafia's behavior, especially when he was under the hammer and after the hammer fell. He vouches for Roden, then harshly disagrees and reads scum on him (121). He susses wayward and egix early (20), but then townreads wayward. He townreads Xlos and Mix vaguely (157).

And finally, with his obligatory vanilla claim, he votes Egix when he's under the hammer (182).

He knows he's toast by this point. But, unless I'm much mistook, the only person he ONLY provided a scummy read on -- and never provided a conflicting townread on -- was Egix. Who he votes against as he's getting eliminated.

This could be WIFOM -- but it feels like he could be trying to make a potential partner look innocent by dint of scumreading him as suspected scum himself.

Have I tied myself into a knot? I dunno. But this is the thing I'm puzzling over the most right now. And it puts a big FOS on Egix for me, independent of anything else.

Ok, my first white lie. The previous post wasn't my last post for the morning; this one is.

Given the above, and the current state of the game, and a quick round of housecleaning and ponderation, I'm ready to VOTE: Egix.

[The Bulge]

apologies for disappearing, it's crunchtime for a max level D&D oneshot I'm running tomorrow so my spare time has all been eaten up this week. I need to get better at declaring v/la.

I'll try to get to this on my break today

[Egix96]

@Lukewarm

Oops yeah. I was reading through the pages in order, so although I was aware that Roden had been townreading Wayward, I had forgotten that they had explained that one line on the next page.
I brought it up because I thought it was a "better kill this person in case they change their mind" sort of thing.

@ egix Sometimes when I drink, I have a hard time sleeping (like now).

Please explain the last paragraph to me. Maybe tomorrow I'll feel dumb.

It's like this:
Alice: I think that Bob is town.
Alice, ten minutes later: Hmmm, actually there's one little thing that makes me doubt that. Anyone else feeling that way?

Then Bob kills Alice because, even though she was townreading him overall, he feared that she might re-consider if left alive.

[Gypyx]

Prodding Zyla

[Egix96]

This could be WIFOM

It was something he made up on the spot for certain, because T3 posted multiple times between me voting him, and him saying that it "felt opportunistic and scmmy."

Of course, there's not much chance that me mentioning that will change your mind, but I would advise against it being your main reason to suspect me.

[Zyla]

If I was scum with T3 I would have had to be willing to sacrifice my partner before the game even started. That doesn't sound like smart scum play to me. I'd have to play out several Days with no help from anyone.

I'm not that good at scum theater.

Honestly, looking at it, when you voted T3, you already had 3 votes against you. So it's possible that scum!WWS might panic about being eliminated and start to try and distance.
If that is true, it definitely backfired though

So I checked time stamps. She learns how to do it herself as of post 61 [Wed May 26, 2021 8:24 pm], then is ready to vote T3 as of post 63 [Wed May 26, 2021 8:36 pm] so she seemed skeptical of my meta case, but then changed her mind like 10 mins later. That is why I asked how many games she looked at.

@Zyla, after I explained how to look at T3's games yourself, how many did you look over to decide that my meta case was not cherry picked?

I ended up looking at the same amount you posted, because I could only find the one scum!t3 game and a lot of t3's games seemed to be expiremental/non-standard

10 mins seemed like a short amount of time to find out she could read them herself, then hunt for any other scum games other then the one I pointed out, read through apparently 5 games worth of isos from T3, and then form a conclusion on his alignment this game.

Maybe I am just slow at meta reading people, but I feel like I would have needed more time then that

To be fair, I mostly skimmed through ISOs; I knew

what

I was looking for, so it was easier to find. If it weren't for T3's ""defense"" against it, I probably would've looked a bit harder at it, but considering "That makes Wayward my scumpartner, lol" was his best defense, I decided there wasn't much need

[Zyla]

... T3 might've been easy to detect as Mafia, but I'll definitely give him some credit in that his "bizarre distancing tactics" are giving a lot of crazy WIFOM moments. Like does the fact that he said that last bit make WWS more or less likely to be town

[Wayward Son]

@Lukewarm

Oops yeah. I was reading through the pages in order, so although I was aware that Roden had been townreading Wayward, I had forgotten that they had explained that one line on the next page.
I brought it up because I thought it was a "better kill this person in case they change their mind" sort of thing.

@ egix Sometimes when I drink, I have a hard time sleeping (like now).

Please explain the last paragraph to me. Maybe tomorrow I'll feel dumb.

It's like this:
Alice: I think that Bob is town.
Alice, ten minutes later: Hmmm, actually there's one little thing that makes me doubt that. Anyone else feeling that way?

Then Bob kills Alice because, even though she was townreading him overall, he feared that she might re-consider if left alive.

This narrative doesn't seem to match the event, but OK.

[Wayward Son]

T3"s "bizarre distancing tactics" were in Large Normal 232 for those interested.

[The Bulge]

So far I think the best observation is Lukewarm's observation on T3's post. It's not particularly convincing but it stands out among the crowd of meaninglessness. If T3 is scum, then I'll be convinced that Lukewarm is town.
Next in the list is MixLixWix, especially in the last few hours, his discussion starting skills have been really good. Though I hesitate to say how much town lean this gives him since the mafia can also be active, I think it is helping the thread move along so in any case it is pro-town and pro-fun behavior.
Everyone else is null, I need to look more.
And then most suspicious is T3 due to that observation by Lukewarm. I'll put my vote on him if needed, but for now I'm going to try poking more at the nulls.

This feels like distancing to me looking back.

why?

Dependencies:
Xlos mafia => Mix mafia
I'm not telling how I know this. Mix hasn't talked too much since the start of the day so I'd like to hear his thoughts on what is going on. So far he's sparked some discussion though.

This still doesn't read as a joke to me, it reads as Xlos breadcrumbing as mason. I think he wanted it to fly under the radar for a bit so that he could deny it if pressed, which he eventually did.

true masons don't need to crumb, they have a partner to back up their claim. and why would mafia want to fake being masons with a townie? that would obviously backfire and provides no strategic advantage.

It's gut reading man... given that I'm not a mason with T3, I can't imagine why the man doesn't want to say why he thinks anything. It's not like he'll be alive D2 to explain, or like we will gain any insight on what he meant by killing him if he does turns out to be town. Maybe he's just tired.

I slept well, thanks.

The mystery deepens...

After all, he's very specific in saying that T3 isn't his mason partner, not that he isn't a Mason, not that he isn't partnered with T3.

that means nothing

[The Bulge]

can someone summarize the Egix vs Roden thing for me? I don't have any memory of any sort of friction and too pressed for time atm to go digging