Townstumps Mafia (Endgame)

[Gamma Emerald]

why do people want NM? so they can bow out and give the power up to NSG right away?

On my part, it’s partly the fact both moongrass and nsg voted NM
that’s both the current stump and the person the current stump put in a good word for

[Mia and Maya Fey]

only person on this PL I feel bad about potentially misreading is Titus and Nancy said she feels confident in that department.

[Mia and Maya Fey]

I'd have to disagree here. I think making someone like NM, who nobody is gonna really have a good time sorting is perfectly valid.
Plus I know NM is a good player, so making them a stump would force them to have to actually play more or less, since we'd be expecting on them to lead town a bit.

i disagree strongly with the notion that NM or players like him cannot be sorted

i also think that risk of death is a more effective encouragement to post in general. all of my experience with treestumps and stump-like roles suggests as such

No one's actually trying because they might roll scum.

you're more likely to roll town than scum, so it seems to make more sense to elect a stump that would help you more as town than to not try that because you might roll scum

so NM be honest

if / when you're a stump, your very first post is going to be exiting the game, right

how could you call yourself a true troll if it wasn't

VOTE: not mafia

i mean like uhhhhh cmon NSG don't be selfish.

[Mia and Maya Fey]

People 100% have trouble sorting me, hydra or no hydra, and my reads get very sharp the more variables are available on the board(the goal does is not to solve the game before lylo, it is to solve it before mafia outnumbers town, and I don't lose in lylo unless another townie votes me )

[Mia and Maya Fey]

Thought i had an stroke reading that.
Also JJ’ Koba will probably make Nancy stop any bad tunneling so it’s an safe choice.
VOTE: Mia and Maya Fey

oh you mean like tunneling your slot until you towntell and we stop?

[Mia and Maya Fey]

What’s the most scummy opening post to a game possible? I’m thinking i want to get better at that fine art.

Hi everyone, I just want to kill all the scumz but first lets play some RQS and have everyone tell me if they could be any tree, what kind would they be.

[Mia and Maya Fey]

What’s the most scummy opening post to a game possible? I’m thinking i want to get better at that fine art.

Hi everyone, I just want to kill all the scumz but first lets play some RQS and have everyone tell me if they could be any tree, what kind would they be.

Subject: Advice for Newbies

If you’re newb scum, Don’t make a post like this:

Hi, let me tell you all about myself (insert anything unrelated to the actual game you’re playing) I’m new but I really just want to find all of the scum then kill them dead. First, I think we should start off with some RQS. What is your absolute favourite role and alignment? Why? Least? Also why? Also if you could possibly be any tree you like, what tree would you be?

[NorwegianboyEE]

That's a good one. I'll keep it in mind.

[Mia and Maya Fey]

only person on this PL I feel bad about potentially misreading is Titus and Nancy said she feels confident in that department.

Somewhat.

Like guys, what do we have to do to convince you to vote us?




*Bribes are always welcome.

[Mia and Maya Fey]

This is our town stump campaign slogan

[Moongrass]

does anyone here actually do night kill analysis? genuine question - i'll vote for anyone that actually does it unless NSG does do it.

I love a good NKA and VCA. Ok, tell me in 5 words why you deserve to be stumped.

[Not_Mafia]

so NM be honest

if / when you're a stump, your very first post is going to be exiting the game, right

how could you call yourself a true troll if it wasn't

I’ll probably shitpush Norweegaboo for a while

[Gamma Emerald]

At least I can breathe easy knowing whatever fake PR claim happens, it’s from town

[Moongrass]

*notes to self to fake claim PR as scum*

[Gamma Emerald]

Said post only applies to NM, and if he is stumped
It’s a joke about a kinda recent past game I played with him

[Moongrass]

My bad, didn't mean to intrude on your private joke. Speaking of private jokes, where's A50 these days?

[Mia and Maya Fey]

[Mia and Maya Fey]

does anyone here actually do night kill analysis? genuine question - i'll vote for anyone that actually does it unless NSG does do it.

I love a good NKA and VCA. Ok, tell me in 5 words why you deserve to be stumped.

Because we are extremely dedicated to solving and will listen to all opinions. All town will be our masons and did I mention free beer and party favours?

[mastina]

mastina, why can't you give DGB a stump?

As tree stump, I can run the scumputer ALL GAME LONG!!!!!

For the record DGB you're not one of my top stump candidates purely because to put it simply, any competent stump I would trust to not place suspicion on you, forcing you to be a scum nightkill.

Basically I think DGB gets more mileage out of this game by being a player than as a 'stump.

My votes are for the players I think get more out of being a 'stump than out of being a player.

This is the same reason I'm not voting to stump a player like the Nancy/DKKoba hydra. I value them more as players than I do as a treestump as I legitimately genuinely think they have more agency with having a vote than they do with just their voice.

Similar for DGB. What good is the scumputer without the ability to back it with a vote?

Votes are a valuable tool, and while voice is also important, certain players get more out of their voice than their vote and certain players get more out of their vote to augment their voice.

nsg is a player who I think gets more out of her voice than her vote; NorwegianboyEE is a player who I think gets more out of a voice than a vote; jjh is a player who I think gets more out of his voice than his vote.

But Nancy and DKKoba (BOTH halves of the hydra), while their voice is fine with just their voice and doesn't

need

a vote, I see as being greatly augmented by the

pressure

of the vote. I legitimately genuinely think that lacking a vote is a huge nerf to both halves of the hydra in throwing their weight around. Yes, being conftown and yes being active and yes being skilled are all big boons, but the simple fact is, it's much easier to get people to follow you when you have a vote to back your statements.

And DGB is...well. A player that I don't think in the current age has the "pull" so to speak off of just its voice to get followers, whereas by backing its statements up with a vote, DGB can generate the pressure needed to get people to listen to it.

Essentially, treestumps act as advisors, but don't hold any truly real power over the direction of the town. The town should listen to them, but are not obligated to because the treestumps lack votes. Which means that any player you treestump, you lose the pressure on scum of. And the best 'stumps are the players who can generate that pressure purely off of their voice alone without needing to back it with a vote.

You have to keep in mind that the town has two universal tools to them, not just the one. If you give a player who draws strength from their vote no vote, then you're removing the reason their voice is so strong in the first place.

And while Nancy, DKKoba, and DGB would all be

decent

voices even without their vote, I don't think they'd be the

best

voices when lacking their vote. Votes are powerful tools that carry a lot of weight and pressure to them, and allow you tangible power that most people take for granted.

[Mia and Maya Fey]

[Mia and Maya Fey]

mastina, why can't you give DGB a stump?

As tree stump, I can run the scumputer ALL GAME LONG!!!!!

For the record DGB you're not one of my top stump candidates purely because to put it simply, any competent stump I would trust to not place suspicion on you, forcing you to be a scum nightkill.

Basically I think DGB gets more mileage out of this game by being a player than as a 'stump.

My votes are for the players I think get more out of being a 'stump than out of being a player.

This is the same reason I'm not voting to stump a player like the Nancy/DKKoba hydra. I value them more as players than I do as a treestump as I legitimately genuinely think they have more agency with having a vote than they do with just their voice.

Similar for DGB. What good is the scumputer without the ability to back it with a vote?

Votes are a valuable tool, and while voice is also important, certain players get more out of their voice than their vote and certain players get more out of their vote to augment their voice.

nsg is a player who I think gets more out of her voice than her vote; NorwegianboyEE is a player who I think gets more out of a voice than a vote; jjh is a player who I think gets more out of his voice than his vote.

But Nancy and DKKoba (BOTH halves of the hydra), while their voice is fine with just their voice and doesn't

need

a vote, I see as being greatly augmented by the

pressure

of the vote. I legitimately genuinely think that lacking a vote is a huge nerf to both halves of the hydra in throwing their weight around. Yes, being conftown and yes being active and yes being skilled are all big boons, but the simple fact is, it's much easier to get people to follow you when you have a vote to back your statements.

And DGB is...well. A player that I don't think in the current age has the "pull" so to speak off of just its voice to get followers, whereas by backing its statements up with a vote, DGB can generate the pressure needed to get people to listen to it.

Essentially, treestumps act as advisors, but don't hold any truly real power over the direction of the town. The town should listen to them, but are not obligated to because the treestumps lack votes. Which means that any player you treestump, you lose the pressure on scum of. And the best 'stumps are the players who can generate that pressure purely off of their voice alone without needing to back it with a vote.

You have to keep in mind that the town has two universal tools to them, not just the one. If you give a player who draws strength from their vote no vote, then you're removing the reason their voice is so strong in the first place.

And while Nancy, DKKoba, and DGB would all be

decent

voices even without their vote, I don't think they'd be the

best

voices when lacking their vote. Votes are powerful tools that carry a lot of weight and pressure to them, and allow you tangible power that most people take for granted.

True without our vote, we’ll be so much better.

[mastina]

I prefer us or Norwee.

I prefer Norwee because again--while you'd be a

decent

treestump, I genuinely think that the loss of your slot's vote would make your slot lose a lot of its value to the town.

You and DKKoba are both pressure-heavy players. You're very aggressive. You're very aggro. You're very, so to speak, red-focused, where you go hard, you push hard, you are relentless, you are forces of nature. But these are all traits that lose potency if they aren't backed by the power of a vote, because a vote allows you to apply that pressure, to start wagons, to threaten an elimination.

If you're stumped, in order to get pressure, you need to convince other players to vote who you want to pressure, and time spent getting others to vote for the people you want is time not spent being aggro, more or less. Meaning you have to spend extra time and effort on convincing others because you can't do any of the legwork for yourselves, so to speak.

I value the power of voting for slots like you more than I value the power of having your voice be immortal because given your hydra's player's playstyles, I see a vote as a crucial part of the thing that makes you be a threat. Its absence wouldn't completely remove your influence, but it would neuter the impact of that influence.

[Mia and Maya Fey]

I prefer us or Norwee.

I prefer Norwee because again--while you'd be a

decent

treestump, I genuinely think that the loss of your slot's vote would make your slot lose a lot of its value to the town.

You and DKKoba are both pressure-heavy players. You're very aggressive. You're very aggro. You're very, so to speak, red-focused, where you go hard, you push hard, you are relentless, you are forces of nature. But these are all traits that lose potency if they aren't backed by the power of a vote, because a vote allows you to apply that pressure, to start wagons, to threaten an elimination.

If you're stumped, in order to get pressure, you need to convince other players to vote who you want to pressure, and time spent getting others to vote for the people you want is time not spent being aggro, more or less. Meaning you have to spend extra time and effort on convincing others because you can't do any of the legwork for yourselves, so to speak.

I value the power of voting for slots like you more than I value the power of having your voice be immortal because given your hydra's player's playstyles, I see a vote as a crucial part of the thing that makes you be a threat. Its absence wouldn't completely remove your influence, but it would neuter the impact of that influence.

but then that makes us vulnerable to the nightkill and I think I have learned how to case much better in recent times

[Mia and Maya Fey]

if yall dont let us be stump include a town jailkeeper so that we can stay alive past night 1 xd

[Mia and Maya Fey]

I will also cry if we roll scum. Friends don’t let their friends drink and roll scum. :/