Open 815: Forest Fire Redux [Endgame]

[Prism]

I'm not opposed to the Johnny vote, but I'm not very optimistic at the moment.

I have one confident townread in Lukewarm. I have intentionally shoved Hectic out of mind for the last 24 hours to revisit later. Everyone else is kind of a tossup for me right now.

[Infinity 324]

Everyone is so quite

Prism talk to me about fidget

[Fidget]

I hope fidget makes more towny posts because there was something else she did that was towny but I don't wanna go through her iso.

I tend to get townier with time and with more material to work with. If at some point down the line I feel I have a reasonable shot of having solved the game, it usually becomes clear that I am genuine.

Whereas as scum I would say the opposite occurs. As I mentioned earlier my scum playstyle is more akin to bullshitting and seeming surfance level towny which tends to break down late game when actual stances become important. I would also find it hard to replicate the passion that comes from actually having the answer to a game.

[Fidget]

Fairies was pretty nonchelant about hitting E-1 imo

I skimmed earlier today and it doesn't seem like Fairy was present for that portion of the game where they were E-1. Are you referring to their subsequent reaction afterwards when they only had around 1-2 votes at that point? Or am I mistaken?

[Fidget]

I am not sure what led people to town read hectic from the 1v1 with prism. looking at his iso, I feel like all of his responses would make sense as either alignment. I am still unsure what to think about his interaction with me either. So he is null for me.

That is more or less the sense I got here when talking to Johnny.

I am still of the opinion that scum!prism would not have gone so hard so early on hectic.

Gonna look more at this later but got to bounce. I would ask why but I'll need to look at your previous posts probably

[Prism]

I'm about to take a nap so this one will be underexplained.

I was suspicious of Fidget's first post on me/Hectic regardless of what Hectic wound up being, which is why I considered moving my vote there. Her response to me, not quite backtracking but accepting my criticism, was quite good and the question became how knowledgeable of a scum player she was, because that post was more of a question of knowledge than of skill.

I feel significantly better about the slot after reading 327, enough to slot her as a townlean, but am a bit confused as to her relationship with Chara's Folly. Her reaction to Hectic's point about my confidence will make either more or less sense depending on her identity.

[Prism]

Putting aside the question of Hectic for a bit longer, my voting order would probably be Johnny, T3, Child.

[Prism]

VOTE: Johnny

This is E-1.

I feel comfortable voting here without sorting Hectic, though a part of me is regretful that Johnny is on V/LA.

[Child of Fairies]

I'm not opposed to the Johnny vote, but I'm not very optimistic at the moment.

VOTE: Johnny

This is E-1.

I feel comfortable voting here without sorting Hectic, though a part of me is regretful that Johnny is on V/LA.

Not that I really disagree with a Johnny vote, but what changed you from being "not very optimistic" to feeling comfortable in one page, especially given that it's been less than a day and Johnny hasn't said a thing since?

Wouldn't be opposed to hammering the slot once Johnny gets a defense in if said defense isn't satisfactory, but if anybody hammers before he gets to post again I'd be very suspicious of that player.

[Prism]

My thinking around the time of 325 was swirling. Something in my mind was that instinctually, I felt it was Johnny+T3 despite T3's vote, but I could also see it being Hectic XOR Fidget & ?, and part of me even wanted that to be the case. I also felt that one of Fidget/Johnny was likely to be scum, but I don't like "one of" assertions like this. I like giving a specific name with a specific alignment.

I wasn't really able to reach a conclusion at the time. This led to me asking "What really are my reads?". The answer was only one with great confidence, which led me to the uncertainty of 325.

I feel significantly better about Fidget, and am very open to being wrong on Hectic though I don't think Johnny-scum would require that. Infinity, while not hardtown, is largely unchanged from how I saw her in Perpetual Melo and perhaps it is worth betting on. Your latest response to me was better on second-pass but I still don't have you as a townread.

[Prism]

Hectic XOR Fidget & ?

For anyone who might be unfamiliar with XOR, it's "exclusive or" where exactly one of Hectic/Fidget would be scum, rather than "inclusive or" where it could be both.

[JohnnyFarrar]

I mean I'll solve the game as a stump if need be, not sure there's really anything to "defend" here so much as everyone's townreading eachother. I've got a funeral tomorrow so I won't have anything

super

productive to say until Mondayish

[Lukewarm]

VLA until Tuesday

[Prism]

My full ordering right now is something like:

Town
======
Lukewarm

Fidget
Infinity

Ydrasse
Child
T3

Johnny
Hectic
======
Scum

[T3]

TOwn: Lukewarm, Fidet, Prism
Lean towm: Infinity
Null, Ydrasse, Child, Hectic
Scum: Johnny

[MURDERCAT]

Vote Count 1.7

[4] JohnnyFarrar: Infinity 324, T3, Lukewarm, Prism
[2] Prism: Hectic, Fidget
[1] Fidget: JohnnyFarrar
[0] Hectic:
[0] Child of Fairies:
[0] Infinity 324:
[0] T3:
[0] Ydrasse:
[0] Lukewarm:

Not voting: Child of Fairies, Ydrasse

With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline expires in

(expired on 2021-06-12 21:58:45).

Mod Notes:
- Hectic is V/LA until the 9th
- Ydrasse is V/LA until the 7th
- JohnnyFarrar is V/LA until the 10th
- Lukewarm is V/LA until the 8th

[Infinity 324]

I want Johnny to fight back more so I'm less paranoid

I don't know if scum!johnny would necessarily fight back that much though? I don't have a better scumread, anyway.

Does someone else have a better scumread?

Ydrasse come play

[Prism]

UNVOTE:

I intend to revote in an IRL day or two. It sounds like he has something more meaningful to think about right now.

[Prism]

It's unfortunate that right now we're in an episode of "The Gang Goes On V/LA". After a few weeks of reflection, this is the first time in many years I have been excited to play.

I'm willing to wait for it.

[Ydrasse]

i just got home today, i’ll catch up later!!

[Prism]

[Hectic]

Infinity 324
Fidget
Lukewarm
Fidget
Child of Fairies
Ydrasse
JohnnyFarrar
T3
Prism

I looked over Lukewarm's marathon scum game in the meantime, and tone is a lot less confrontational/confidence than how he just interacted here

Pedit: I think T3 mentioning that is actually more scum-indicative than town-indicative, there's reason to hold that read close to the chest if he thinks there's actually any value to it

You're reading me twice. Also, is your read list town at the middle or town at the top?

People let preemptive reads like that out of the bag all the time, though. Suboptimal play isn't always scummy.

It's coming across like Lukewarm is more likely town here for how comfortable he is, then.

What kind of monster would put town in the middle and scum on the edges? It's top -> bottom

Lukewarm was towny enough to probably eclipse you so I'd have you 3rd there

[Prism]

The point about my confidence-which I would classify more as willingness to pursue an instantaneous read rather than true confidence-will likely have to wait a bit longer, despite my eagerness to tackle it.

I don't think that dissuades you from pushing me again given Folly happened after. I'm not saying this a standard go-to strat of yours, but it's certainly possible scum!you sees it as a valuable investment given past history

If you're saying you wouldn't bring this to my attention as scum, you clearly did with the impression it means you're less likely to do it, and see it as something that helps your case

Do you still genuinely believe this? Specifically that it is not just possible but probable that I reuse the strategy, with the defense of reuse as a kind of backup.

[Hectic]

The strategy of hard scumreading me if you think I'm you can get away with it? I think you do if you see the opportunity, I don't think your approach is similar to the way you did in Scumsman btw, there was a lot less interrogation there and more passive pushing, which points to the difference being town, but also means it's not an exact recycle

[Hectic]

Reading over your posts in the last few pages, I keep reading them while thinking you're town if that makes sense, I'm not sure if that's because I'm assuming you're probably town subconsciously and I'm wrong, or your recent posts are towny, but something something, I have no idea what I'm saying

I find Prism's recent content a lot townier essentially but I dunno if I should abandon previous reasons to scumread her