Open 816: C9++ || Game Over

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

?

im not trying to condescend to you >.>

[Datisi]

"i don't think you need xyz to form your opinion" feels like it. idk, maybe condescending is not the right word to use, but it feels like either (1) you're saying i'm lying (2) you're implying you know my thoughts better than i do. and judging by the rest of your play around me it doesn't feel like (1). it's weird.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think when you vote me on bad reasoning you're more likely to just be bad!town than scum shitpushing me because you should know how I respond to day1 shitpushes.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im not saying your lying or that i know ur thoughts better than you do

i disagree about what you said and I wanted to discuss it with you

this was prior to me reading Lili's "tell reasoning"

tonally and by meta I felt her concerns about cakez were more likely from town than scum making some shit up

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Apologies to heaven as I’m about to get into some discussion of past games, but I promise it’s all relevant

quick summary of cakes’ and my games together over the past year or so: he’s rolled town in I think every game we’ve played together, I’ve rolled a mix of scum and town. We’ve also hydra-ed together (once as scum and twice as town iirc).

I would say it’s something of a running joke that I “fooled” him in my scumgames against him, and in the next game he always brings it up and says “lilith I won’t trust you anymore” or something to that effect. He didn’t even attempt to interact with me here and he didn’t bring up the fact that he also messaged me about hydra-ing for this game until like 20 posts ago, way after I started poking at/voting him. I would’ve expected cakes to bring up our most recent game together, in which I was scum and he was town, and which ended not very long ago; I would’ve expected him to enter with immediate paranoia about me — instead he straight up ignored me and ignored my vote until there was basically too large of a wagon on him to ignore. In his responses to me he is solely defensive and doesn’t question my motivations at all. His voting heaven made me vote him because that was the point where I started feeling like it felt “wrong” that he hadn’t expressed any paranoia on me or interacted with me at all.

- lilith

Dats what are your thoughts on this "tell" that Lilith is claiming on Cakes?

I find it believable and >rand that he just flips red here.

[Tigerente]

i agree that i'm getting scummy vibes from pooky too

tell me more tell me more

i don't really have anything beyond 'you feel weird'

~ skitteR

[Tigerente]

i believe that lilith believes what she wrote about sircakez but i don't particularly put much stock in her reasoning

[SirCakez]

Also if Lilith is scum here she could just keep the tell private and wag it around in my face to piss me off

[Datisi]

I think when you vote me on bad reasoning you're more likely to just be bad!town than scum shitpushing me because you should know how I respond to day1 shitpushes.

i remember.

im not saying your lying or that i know ur thoughts better than you do

i disagree about what you said and I wanted to discuss it with you

this was prior to me reading Lili's "tell reasoning"

tonally and by meta I felt her concerns about cakez were more likely from town than scum making some shit up

do you want to hear me say "it's more likely that town!lilith has a legit tell on cakez than scum!lilith bullshitting about having a tell"? because like idk, i guess. it could also be scum!lilith actually having a "tell" that town!cakez happens to be playing into this game. i don't think i can confidently say that the first one is happening, despite sure, i think it's somewhat more likely.

and i didn't want lilith to out the tell just so i can see whether she's telling the truth or not (i suspected she had *something*, regardless her alignment), i mostly wanted to hear the tell so i can judge for myself how likely it is to make cakez scum.

Dats what are your thoughts on this "tell" that Lilith is claiming on Cakes?

I find it believable and >rand that he just flips red here.

it's believable. i wouldn't be that surprised if cakez flipped red this game. but like, i can't say i scumread cakez when i just don't. i'm reading the posts calling him scum, and logically they make sense, sure whatever he doesn't look great. i don't exactly townread him. but i can't say i scumread him. my heart does not believe.

you were voting him / had him in your solve before the tell was even mentioned, though. why is cakez scum?

[Datisi]

VOTE: kerset?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i agree that i'm getting scummy vibes from pooky too

tell me more tell me more

i don't really have anything beyond 'you feel weird'

~ skitteR

ok but every time you've said that about me I've been town? :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you were voting him / had him in your solve before the tell was even mentioned, though. why is cakez scum?

He felt flat/nervous in his responses and I like throwing premature scumread at him to see how he reacts to it.

[Tigerente]

i know this is why i'm not pushing u really >.>

~ skitteR

[SirCakez]

Pooky never TRs me anyways lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you have to try hard to win my love and affection

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like half of the posts I'm reading so far are heavily influenced by meta on the other players and it's making me feel left out.

Do you have any thoughts of your own?

[PenguinPower]

you have to try hard to win my love and affection

Well - some do.

[Tigerente]

hey all -- was out this weekend but back now

already like datisi a little for excitement over the ic roll in 6

-b

[Almost50]

Interesting! "Vairy" interesting!! (The Gamma take on me is).

At first I thought he was joking or pulling a reaction test, whichever. But the more I read the more it felt like he is serious, and the question now is to figure if it's an "innocent genuine" suspicion or if it's because we know each other well and he wants me out ASAP.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

[Tigerente]

Gypyx

is aligned with the

Town

.

1 M, no more Ms. 6 letters to go.

Also, time for me to try and see what Gypyx does/doesn't as TOWN that he doesn't/does as Scum.

Okay this is a scum claim
VOTE: Almost50

Like, this is a far cry from how you acted in our last C9++, even factoring in your account being different

this is kind of a weird observation to make off of one post - what were you expecting from the opening that you didn't get here / vice versa

-b

p-edit: heh

[Almost50]

I still think it feels totally out of character for him to open with that sort of setup spec

i think it would be grossly out of character for him to *not* open with that sort of setup spec tbh

Make up your minds, you two! I'm starting to get confused about my own meta tbh!

I -of course- know skitter's on the right side, but -coming from me- doesn't matter for anyone else.

What's more interesting is nobody else has tried to weigh in on this (at least not as far as I've read).

[Almost50]

Soo I'm just the odd person out then right? Are you all familiar with another? I got that impression when Almost50 responded to me about how he couldn't read Datisi.

I mean, I already told you that in my very first post.

[Gamma Emerald]

@heaven what’s your opinion on cakes voting you and our current discussion of whether it is scummy for me to be pushing cakes for it?

- lilith

Your own reasoning is fine but mine slightly differs. I don't like what cakez is doing because it's awkward. I said pointless earlier and then his response to that was that he was making a joke. Jokes usually require a bit of knowledge or even a setup but there I think he was just excusing himself. His words come out only at the concern of others and even then I just don't really believe him.

I like this post, question is whether it’s town indicative

[Almost50]

Pengy is my soul mason this game.

If I pretend to be shocked, will you pretend to believe it??