Open 816: C9++ || Game Over

[Gamma Emerald]

I have permission from ss to talk about the thing

What thing?

[PenguinPower]

This post wins the game.

Thanks for playing everyone. Invite me to the next one, please.

[Tigerente]

I really feel like he could've just kept his vote on me and surveyed the room a bit more, but instead he just backed off. What do you think about this?

i know this wasn't to me but i don't consider there to be a really appreciable difference between these two approaches.

Where did you end up w/ in your read on datisi concluding this interaction?

-b

[PenguinPower]

I have permission from ss to talk about the thing

What thing?

Can’t talk about it...sorries.

[Almost50]

A50 as scum could actually deduce that there is only one M, if he got Goon + Godfather. My slip detector turned on.
VOTE: A50

I already said that. The question is would A50 as Scum be interested in sharing that info with the public?

Let me rephrase to make my question clear: It could be a scumslip to

know

the info, but why would scum!me be interested to share info about the setup in the first place, slip or no slip? Unless your take on me is "self UNaware" as Scum.

P-edit: Can I post or should I come back later??

[Gamma Emerald]

Cakey do you think Town!Lilith could peg you as scum this early in D1?

Yeah probably she knows me pretty well

do you think this is town lili or scum lili?

On my part I think I’m dealing with town!Lilith rn

[Almost50]

follow up : also if it's out of character in general, this *could* mean he's an SK, but doesn't specifically edges towards him being maf

THANK YOU! So, I claim SK. Forget about the RB claim. Also, if there's a Doctor out there you should NOT protect me. (Being BP SK and all)

[Gamma Emerald]

i didn't. but considering you're not revealing the reason, it's quite literally no use to me. i cannot tell the difference between town!lilith having an actual tell vs. a scum!lilith going "hehe guys i have a tell on cakez, no i will not tell you~"

really?

I don't think she needs to out the tell for you to have an opinion on whether she believes she has a tell on cakes or not.

On this subject, I’m thinking Cakez is town because of how he reacted to the unspoken tell situation, I remember him in two prior cases involving such things, once as town and once as scum, and his reaction feels similar to but not exactly the same as his reaction as town in the prior situation.

[Tigerente]

To elaborate: he voted heaven at a time when it seemed like multiple people were arguing with and starting to push heaven. It feels like a vote that’s meant to take advantage of that momentum rather than solve for heaven’s alignment.

i just don't really agree w/ this premise because i don't really think it's falsifiable - what does towncakez do in this situation that wants to push a scumread?

-b

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

i didn't. but considering you're not revealing the reason, it's quite literally no use to me. i cannot tell the difference between town!lilith having an actual tell vs. a scum!lilith going "hehe guys i have a tell on cakez, no i will not tell you~"

really?

I don't think she needs to out the tell for you to have an opinion on whether she believes she has a tell on cakes or not.

On this subject, I’m thinking Cakez is town because of how he reacted to the unspoken tell situation, I remember him in two prior cases involving such things, once as town and once as scum, and his reaction feels similar to but not exactly the same as his reaction as town in the prior situation.

I revealed the tell. do you have an opinion on it?

- lilith

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

To elaborate: he voted heaven at a time when it seemed like multiple people were arguing with and starting to push heaven. It feels like a vote that’s meant to take advantage of that momentum rather than solve for heaven’s alignment.

i just don't really agree w/ this premise because i don't really think it's falsifiable - what does towncakez do in this situation that wants to push a scumread?

-b

I’m pretty sure we should just wait until you’re done catching up to discuss because I talk about my cakes read a lot more in recent pages. please let me know what your thoughts are once you’re caught up

- lilith

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

I have permission from ss to talk about the thing

What thing?

cakes tell

[Gamma Emerald]

Interesting! "Vairy" interesting!! (The Gamma take on me is).

At first I thought he was joking or pulling a reaction test, whichever. But the more I read the more it felt like he is serious, and the question now is to figure if it's an "innocent genuine" suspicion or if it's because we know each other well and he wants me out ASAP.

Actually it was a reaction test, I knew my read was tenuous at best, so I feigned confidence to try to gauge your response
I feel decently well about it I think
UNVOTE:

[Tigerente]

Apologies to heaven as I’m about to get into some discussion of past games, but I promise it’s all relevant

quick summary of cakes’ and my games together over the past year or so: he’s rolled town in I think every game we’ve played together, I’ve rolled a mix of scum and town. We’ve also hydra-ed together (once as scum and twice as town iirc).

I would say it’s something of a running joke that I “fooled” him in my scumgames against him, and in the next game he always brings it up and says “lilith I won’t trust you anymore” or something to that effect. He didn’t even attempt to interact with me here and he didn’t bring up the fact that he also messaged me about hydra-ing for this game until like 20 posts ago, way after I started poking at/voting him. I would’ve expected cakes to bring up our most recent game together, in which I was scum and he was town, and which ended not very long ago; I would’ve expected him to enter with immediate paranoia about me — instead he straight up ignored me and ignored my vote until there was basically too large of a wagon on him to ignore. In his responses to me he is solely defensive and doesn’t question my motivations at all. His voting heaven made me vote him because that was the point where I started feeling like it felt “wrong” that he hadn’t expressed any paranoia on me or interacted with me at all.

- lilith

I see, and I was going to say that if Cakez just outright ignored you in the game and is living in the moment then meh, that's probably not super AI

that said I don't like 237 because it is explaining that early game ignoring you with a retroactive townread that seems oversimplified and paranoia-lacking to me.

-b

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Do you think its possible that scum cakes just forgot to express paranoia about her slot to fit in with his town!meta?

[Almost50]

I'll be back in 30 min

[Almost50]

I hate when people pull "tells" on me and won't talk about them

I have a tell on most everybody on this site: When someone posts VCs

regularly

they're more than 99% a MOD.

[PenguinPower]

Tbf - i sometimes post unofficial vcs

regularly

when I’m not the mod. I guess that’s accounted for in your 1% though.

[PenguinPower]

Also that was more than 30min

[Gamma Emerald]

Got anything more than pedantry for us rn?

[PenguinPower]

Nope!

[Almost50]

Also that was more than 30min

I didn't account for washing my hands before and after I guess.

[SirCakez]

Cakey do you think Town!Lilith could peg you as scum this early in D1?

Yeah probably she knows me pretty well

do you think this is town lili or scum lili?

On my part I think I’m dealing with town!Lilith rn

Why answer this?

[PenguinPower]

Also that was more than 30min

I didn't account for washing my hands before and after I guess.

That’s important. You are forgiven.

[Gamma Emerald]

Cakey do you think Town!Lilith could peg you as scum this early in D1?

Yeah probably she knows me pretty well

do you think this is town lili or scum lili?

On my part I think I’m dealing with town!Lilith rn

Why answer this?

Because I felt like sharing my thoughts.