Open 816: C9++ || Game Over

[Tigerente]

blazing obviousness of our mason energy

I did read SFA tho

-b

[Gamma Emerald]

Even if we were scum there's no universe where I just filter everything through skitter first - it's not like that happens in scum PTs either even if people like to claim it does.

this conversation seems entirely philosophical in nature and therefore not particularly alignment relevant - do you have any reads outside of cakez so far? hard to see where you're at from your ISO.

-b

Assuming this was directed to me - my comments were entirely about your appeal to your individual meta and why that isn’t valid. I said nothing about your alignment nor do I have a read on you alignment.

I have no reads at all - cakez included. Expect for pooky. But that should be apparent.

I don't know if I'm being stupid for thinking this but I think scum!Pingu could have faked reads atp

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

blazing obviousness of our mason energy

I did read SFA tho

-b

ok that was different

that was a serious mason claim

this is more of a joke

[Dwlee99]

The way you all are just constantly using meta here is making the game extremely hard for me to follow or get anything out of.

[Tigerente]

i know i'm just busting your chops

-b

[Gamma Emerald]

Q: Am I allowed to live in my own world under my own dome for a few seconds?? Cuz if I was I'd bet the game on the Mafia being of 3 members, and my solve would be precisely Gamma/Kerset/Heaven

Gamma comes in pushing a very "strange" meta-driven case on me (forgive me for calling it a case), and Kerset hops on it. Gamma backs off, Kerset falls back into the shadows, and Heaven takes on the spearhead position with yet another inexplicable "case".

My point is SCUM!GAMMA would be afraid of me. He tries to push me in hopes I'd react in a way that could be taken advantage of. Kerset sneaks in to aid him (knowing the reason behind this behaviour from their PT), but since I didn't react in a way that would justify Gamma's push on me he walks it back, but still wants me out so Heaven now can lead the campaign under the guise they don't know me (or anyone else) so cannot be blamed for taking this stance.

Well, I've got news for you: I ain't going down today, so lay off and try another approach.

Now I can go out of my dome and realize the whole world doesn't actually revolve around me, but not before I posted this to refer to in post-game.

Here we go!
Yeah I think A50 is towntelling a bit with this
Question for the monkey: Who's mafia in the case of a 2 mafia team?

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

@gamma

i didn't. but considering you're not revealing the reason, it's quite literally no use to me. i cannot tell the difference between town!lilith having an actual tell vs. a scum!lilith going "hehe guys i have a tell on cakez, no i will not tell you~"

really?

I don't think she needs to out the tell for you to have an opinion on whether she believes she has a tell on cakes or not.

On this subject, I’m thinking Cakez is town because of how he reacted to the unspoken tell situation, I remember him in two prior cases involving such things, once as town and once as scum, and his reaction feels similar to but not exactly the same as his reaction as town in the prior situation.

I revealed the tell. do you have an opinion on it?

- lilith

[Gamma Emerald]

Almost50's posts almost make too much sense that he might be evil lol

what does this mean

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

Q: Am I allowed to live in my own world under my own dome for a few seconds?? Cuz if I was I'd bet the game on the Mafia being of 3 members, and my solve would be precisely Gamma/Kerset/Heaven

Gamma comes in pushing a very "strange" meta-driven case on me (forgive me for calling it a case), and Kerset hops on it. Gamma backs off, Kerset falls back into the shadows, and Heaven takes on the spearhead position with yet another inexplicable "case".

My point is SCUM!GAMMA would be afraid of me. He tries to push me in hopes I'd react in a way that could be taken advantage of. Kerset sneaks in to aid him (knowing the reason behind this behaviour from their PT), but since I didn't react in a way that would justify Gamma's push on me he walks it back, but still wants me out so Heaven now can lead the campaign under the guise they don't know me (or anyone else) so cannot be blamed for taking this stance.

Well, I've got news for you: I ain't going down today, so lay off and try another approach.

Now I can go out of my dome and realize the whole world doesn't actually revolve around me, but not before I posted this to refer to in post-game.

Here we go!
Yeah I think A50 is towntelling a bit with this
Question for the monkey: Who's mafia in the case of a 2 mafia team?

what do you mean by "towntelling"?

- lilith

[Tigerente]

374 is goofy as shit but i think i townread it

-b

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i know i'm just busting your chops

-b

k cuz we just need your better half to give Penguin the official seal of approval cuz she's townread him correctly like 150 times in a row.

and she's always had a bad feeling about me when I'm town.

[Gamma Emerald]

It's way easier to read the bork head of the hydra.

see penguin straight from your BestBud's mouth

-b

are you treating us as masons?

cuz that's what Best Bird and Best Bear are every game

OpenMasons

y'all should create a Banjo-Kazooie hydra lol

[Tigerente]

k cuz we just need your better half to give Penguin the official seal of approval cuz she's townread him correctly like 150 times in a row.

jury's out on that front but they're clearly just not communicating well atm so we are going to try again tomorrow

-b

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

It'd be harder for us to compete in the pagetop wars if we had to share a player slot though.

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

idk what that means because I'm in a hydra and we're winning

[Dwlee99]

Almost50's posts almost make too much sense that he might be evil lol

what does this mean

Last time I played with almost50 I felt like I didn't understand any of his thoughts.

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

The way you all are just constantly using meta here is making the game extremely hard for me to follow or get anything out of.

"too towny to be town"........ that's a new one

- lilith

Almost50's posts almost make too much sense that he might be evil lol

It doesn't make sense at all and that's why I'm questioning myself here.

Y'all have to understand what happened in Noughts and Crosses to get it, but it was mostly tongue-in-cheek anyway.

isn't this a bit hypocritical

- lilith

[Almost50]

Question for the monkey: Who's mafia in the case of a 2 mafia team?

Although I generally assume 3-members team until proven otherwise, but "gun-to-my-head" I'd say Kerset for the sneaking in, followed by Heaven for hopping on after you backed off. I mean, you'd still get the blame for it if I was to flip today, so -from a 2-members team of Kerset/Heaven- it's still a good push.

[Dwlee99]

The way you all are just constantly using meta here is making the game extremely hard for me to follow or get anything out of.

"too towny to be town"........ that's a new one

- lilith

Almost50's posts almost make too much sense that he might be evil lol

It doesn't make sense at all and that's why I'm questioning myself here.

Y'all have to understand what happened in Noughts and Crosses to get it, but it was mostly tongue-in-cheek anyway.

isn't this a bit hypocritical

- lilith

"Mostly tongue-in-cheek"

[Gamma Emerald]

had to go back to reference the specific post

Apologies to heaven as I’m about to get into some discussion of past games, but I promise it’s all relevant

quick summary of cakes’ and my games together over the past year or so: he’s rolled town in I think every game we’ve played together, I’ve rolled a mix of scum and town. We’ve also hydra-ed together (once as scum and twice as town iirc).

I would say it’s something of a running joke that I “fooled” him in my scumgames against him, and in the next game he always brings it up and says “lilith I won’t trust you anymore” or something to that effect. He didn’t even attempt to interact with me here and he didn’t bring up the fact that he also messaged me about hydra-ing for this game until like 20 posts ago, way after I started poking at/voting him. I would’ve expected cakes to bring up our most recent game together, in which I was scum and he was town, and which ended not very long ago; I would’ve expected him to enter with immediate paranoia about me — instead he straight up ignored me and ignored my vote until there was basically too large of a wagon on him to ignore. In his responses to me he is solely defensive and doesn’t question my motivations at all. His voting heaven made me vote him because that was the point where I started feeling like it felt “wrong” that he hadn’t expressed any paranoia on me or interacted with me at all.

- lilith

I feel like I get the sort of mindset behind the sort of opening you expected, and via that I'm thinking it could have to do with Cake being otherwise occupied when doing his entrance
to explain another way, I tend to like doing RVS entrances that go off past meta with someone in the game. The issue is, I pretty much only get one chance to use any one entrance, so I might decide I want to use something else in a case where I could have used a meta joke. As such, I'm wondering whether there was something on Cakez's mind that impacted his willingness to open with the "I'm not trusting lilith" line
Plus, his explanation of already kinda TRing you maybe makes sense, even though the timeline is off? My concern is why not make the jokey entrance anyway?

[Gamma Emerald]

Almost50's posts almost make too much sense that he might be evil lol

what does this mean

Last time I played with almost50 I felt like I didn't understand any of his thoughts.

so because you understand his thinking, you think he's scum
is this a common trend you've noticed in games with him (assuming you have enough exp. with him to make this judgment)?

[Dwlee99]

No, it was mostly tongue-in-cheek.

[Dwlee99]

I've played one game with him in the past at least 3 or 4 years and he replaced in (what the game setup made) ELO.

[xHeavenx]

VOTE: Cakez

Maybe I'll come back to A50 but what he's saying weirded me out so much that I don't feel comfortable pushing him.

[Ydrasse]

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