Open 816: C9++ || Game Over

[PenguinPower]

is lilith still town?

lilith

[Datisi]

hot take: it shouldn't count as your pagetop if the pagebottom on the previous page is also yours

[Tigerente]

Penguin your content-to-fluff ratio is worryingly low

~ skitter

[PenguinPower]

ok

[PenguinPower]

hot take: it shouldn't count as your pagetop if the pagebottom on the previous page is also yours

i prefer simple over complicated.

[Tigerente]

ok

This is how i read u tho >.>

[PenguinPower]

We're two days in, and I don't have really anything to grab onto at this point. You have said that before and then it clicks for you later in the phase.

[Gypyx]

yeah i litterally couldn't find the time to sit and think guys, sorry

catching up now tho, any opinions perticularly needed ?

[Gypyx]

for the record, i'm not feeling too good about datisi so far, and i like limit

[Umlaut]

VOTE: umlaut

maybe this is just cakez/kerset/umlaut

Call it excessively self-aware on my part, but based on my model of how Datisi usually meta-reads me I don't understand where this is coming from.

[Gamma Emerald]

I agree with penguin tbh, things feel kinda slow outside the cakez situation

[Gypyx]

Pretty confident TR on umlaut so far

like 509 and this post, maybe more even, haven't read all still

Spoiler:

Trying to catch up but probably won't be able to devote serious thought to this before tomorrow. But maybe I will, who knows??

• I have a fairly strong gut read that Dwlee is town
  
• No idea about xHeavenx or Datisi based on their kerfuffle earlier
  
• A50 is his usual inscrutable self (but maybe I can scrute him if I try hard enough)
  
• Really don't know what Gamma is on about saying A50 has scumtold already on pg. 4 but he seems to think it's self-evident; that strikes me as towny
  
• Tigerente is still a not-bad wagon

A50 as scum could actually deduce that there is only one M, if he got Goon + Godfather. My slip detector turned on.
VOTE: A50

I just don't believe this is a real slip.

[Datisi]

you... *like* 509? lmfao i take back what i said in 6

[Datisi]

for the record, i'm not feeling too good about datisi so far, and i like limit

what about my play so far has got you "not feeling good"?

[Datisi]

also 187 looked like generic "look at me i sure am reading the game and solving because i am town" so i'd love to hear what is good about that

[Datisi]

also also i would like to point out 409 came *4 minutes* after the ic said he doesn't like me and not at any point prior when people were townreading me

i know he's gonna call coincidence but come on

[Datisi]

VOTE: umlaut

maybe this is just cakez/kerset/umlaut

Call it excessively self-aware on my part, but based on my model of how Datisi usually meta-reads me I don't understand where this is coming from.

datisi's meta-read model got updated since last game

now it's not only "does umlaut look similar to those two scumgames of his i modded", now it's also "do not give umlaut a pass for doing jackshit nothing and think he's town because ~scum!him would be doing more~, scum!him absolutely will do jackshit if he thinks he can get away with it"

[Gypyx]

you... *like* 509? lmfao i take back what i said in 6

ow why you gotta hurt me like that ;-;

and, yeah, it came 4 minutes after, i see, that still seems like quite the short timespan for someone to basically think "imma bullshit a read outta nowhere cuz the ic thinks similarly", heck, i'd be ready to bet this has never happened before but let's stay on topic there

187 feels extremely "random" in a way that i don't think scum could easily replicate (what i mean by that is that scum is usually more "constructed" in their approach, not throwing a ton of junk together

gonna reply about yourplay specifically in a hot sec there

[SirCakez]

Cakez do u have a read on me/my slot

~skitter

No

[Umlaut]

now it's not only "does umlaut look similar to those two scumgames of his i modded", now it's also "do not give umlaut a pass for doing jackshit nothing and think he's town because ~scum!him would be doing more~, scum!him absolutely will do jackshit if he thinks he can get away with it"

Yeah, I kind of anticipated that, but thinking my being inactive (all of 48[?] hours into the game at that) explicitly makes me scum still doesn't fit when you know perfectly well I can be demotivated and useless as any alignment.

For some context, I only thought I could get away with it that time because it was clear from Day 1 that Icon was going to carry the game.

[Umlaut]

For that matter, I

did

get away with it that time because Icon

did

carry the game, so the real moral is "if Scumlaut is not making any effort to look towny it's because he knows he's already won"

[Datisi]

*jots down 'if umlaut flips scum, there's a deepwolf'*

[Datisi]

Yeah, I kind of anticipated that, but thinking my being inactive (all of 48[?] hours into the game at that) explicitly makes me scum still doesn't fit when you know perfectly well I can be demotivated and useless as any alignment.

sure, you *can*. and when i'm not scumreading any of the actives, i'm going to start bashing on the lurkers.

[Tigerente]

We're two days in, and I don't have really anything to grab onto at this point. You have said that before and then it clicks for you later in the phase.

Fair enuf, i know its still kinda early (and that i sometimes think this early on) which is why i'm not going *too* hard just yet

Also i'm kinda becoming bored with my dwlee vote but gonna talk to bork before i switch it

~ skitt

[Gypyx]

also: pooky gives me a scummy vibe of "trying not to appear in the center of attention while still trying to steer the conversation to his liking" but i'm not too interested in acting upon it immediately because i know i need more time to read him and i would not want to get wrong!tunnelled on pooky.

end of this post is exessively worried about being perceived badly, like, in a way, you seem more concerned about being the cause to a town getting exed than the fact that a town gets exed if ya see what i mean?

can you give me a counterexample where lilith does do a serious push as scum right away?

open 781: jk9++ is the only game i've played with scum!lilith, and skimming through her early iso, she did a semi-early serious push on penguin that game, so kinda?

also /shrug, the fact that she "usually" (which is debateable anyway) doesn't hardpush early as scum is nowhere near enough to convince me that that should make her town here - something something, meta changes, and this is faaaar too weak of a meta point (i.e. easily changeable) to be taken that seriously.

in other news: i'm reading interactions between lilith/cakez/pooky as Wrong. it feels like there's somehing wrong with them, i don't know if it's them having relatively strong reads on each other so quickly or what but i'm feeling uneasy.

Datisi being very dismissive off of one single meta read, it's either overconfidence or scum trying to keep the options open imo

what do you think his motivation for voting heaven was then?

i unno

, maybe he genuinely thought heaven's tone was bad and wanted to add to a push there? like i don't exactly townread cakez but i don't scumread him either and this seems a biiit too strong of a reaction to what happened

moonlogic : but i recall reading that scumtisi often makes this sort of typos