Mini Normal 2213 - Village (End Game)

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: AndresVMB
I'm doing this for several reasons

• His play this game feels strangely aggressive for no perceptible reason
  
• His switch from pushing Rlotus to me feels like he's scum who PR hunted Rlotus, stashed him away as a nightkill rather than a miselim, and then tried to use his PR read to his advantage in getting townread
  
• I feel like if he was town that hammer yesterday, if accidental, would have been presented differently. This and the next point are part of one larger idea.
  
• His push of Noraa as a VFP partner felt like he wanted to get bankshot townreads when his theory got busted. As such I think he is mafia abusing his informed status to gain TRs. I also think his knowledge of VFP flipping town is why he acted like he did after hammering. No matter whether it was accidental or intentional, I think if he really bought his VFP read (which if he was town I'd have to think he did based on the tying Noraa to VFP), he would have put on a braver face.

I also think MaxTheFox is scum because of the fact two days in a row she's reacted to the elimination flip in a bad way that looks like she's overly concerned about which flips she gets credited/blamed for.
As for my TRs I spoke of, they are kyouko, Fenrir, and ItalianoVD. kyouko and Fenrir I've talked about before, but I did night reading on all the slots I didn't already confidently TR, and Italiano's posting really popped out as towny to me, to the point where he's played well enough if he's scum that I'd accept a loss to him. As for my current opinion of Johnny McCool, he's not really a strong TR like those other three, but I kinda got townvibes from his posts and I'm rather sure of my current SRs.

By the way, I will hard-oppose any elimination that is not myself or my SRs. I'm okay getting eliminated today because I would rather not be the game-losing miselim, and I also think my reads are solid enough that they should be considered upon my townflip. Whatever you do, do not vote out any of my strong TRs in 5p limlo if I'm not alive for that.

quoting for pagetop since I think this should get seen

[Andresvmb]

There’s no chance in hell I’m going to let you get me mis-executed this game. I have been absent and I apologize for that but work has just been brutal.

[Andresvmb]

And you know I’m aggressive by nature. You’re acting like you’ve never seen me play before and Scum have literally pushed me in other games claiming I appear aggressive for no reason.

[Andresvmb]

Anyway let me catch up.

And yes, my hammer was accidental. I lost track of the vote count. I am not sure I would have voted anywhere else to be honest and VFP’s posting did seem Scummy to me, but I would have been slightly more careful I think if I had known exactly where the votes where.

[Gamma Emerald]

And you know I’m aggressive by nature. You’re acting like you’ve never seen me play before and Scum have literally pushed me in other games claiming I appear aggressive for no reason.

it feels different this game than in say Etymologies though
also, how nice of you to show up as soon as I voted you.

[Andresvmb]

And you know I’m aggressive by nature. You’re acting like you’ve never seen me play before and Scum have literally pushed me in other games claiming I appear aggressive for no reason.

it feels different this game than in say Etymologies though
also, how nice of you to show up as soon as I voted you.

I just finished working. I had not had the opportunity to log on at all today. It has nothing to do with your vote. If I had wanted to stem any negative momentum since that’s what you’re implying, I would have responded to that post asking where I am.

[MaxTheFox]

I will wait to vote until our next VC.

[samantha97]

Votecount

Gamma Emerald [2]:

Save The Dragons, ItalianoVD

Andresvmb [1]:

Gamma Emerald

Not Voting: JohnnyFarrar, Andresvmb, MaxTheFox, ssbm_Kyouko

With 7 alive, it takes 4 votes to reach majority.

The day will end in (expired on 2021-06-12 12:00:00) or when majority is reached.

[Save The Dragons]

I'm not voting Gamma today ftr

was there a reason for this

[Save The Dragons]

There is at least one scum between Gamma and STD.

go on

bus your partner

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'm not voting Gamma today ftr

was there a reason for this

It's not in thread yet

[Save The Dragons]

could it be

[Gamma Emerald]

Wut

[Andresvmb]

I’m here, and I’m re-reading the whole game. I think it’s time I try a bit harder.

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: Gamma

[Andresvmb]

There is at least one scum between Gamma and STD.

go on

bus your partner

Kyouko is more likely Scum than Max. In fact, I think Max is Town.

[Andresvmb]

My POE right now is {Johnny, Kyouko, Gamma}. I think unless Italiano and STD are both Scum together, then they’re both Town.

[Andresvmb]

The claims by FMFT and Gamma put us in a situation where neither should be the elim toDay imo. It seems clear to me that if FMFT is town that the second informed player was not able to activate last Night. Give it some time and it will become apparent whether FMFT is town or scum. That info will also help with Gamma's alignment, unfortunately it won't tell us his alignment outright though (unless we flip a rolecop).

And everything Luke said was probably accurate, which is why they were NK’ed haha

[Andresvmb]

Fmft claim makes me not want to lim them or Gamma

And yeah Johnny trusted the terrible idea so here we are.

[Andresvmb]

-Despite a member of the mafia knowing his role he didn't die, even though there weren't any other pr targets

And this should sink Gamma. We need to execute there.

[Gamma Emerald]

wrong
Just because they outed my role D2 doesn’t mean they knew it coming into N1. Remember FMFT claimed activated informed. That means whatever it was that gave scum my role info, it was very likely something that happened N1.

[Andresvmb]

Max/gamma/FMFT

Though Noraa did die after putting out this solve.

Okay I mean I think I TR {Italiano, STD} always here. It’s a close call between Max and Johnny. I think there’s a multitude of reasons to doubt Johnny. How is Gamma not just Scum though? So FMFT was Mafia Goon yes? So they did not have any initial knowledge of Gamma’s role. There’s only 2 ways in which they would have acquired that knowledge - either by knowing Gamma’s Role PM from being Scum together, or by the presence of a Role Cop amongst the Scum. If there’s a Role Cop, why in the world target Gamma? I would have targeted Italiano N1. Look at Italiano’s solve in 351. This is why I think they’re either Scum with STD or just Town. They’re entire Town pool at that stage is of flipped Town, except for STD. How is that not remarkable?

[Andresvmb]

They’re entire Town pool

Their entire Town pool*

[Andresvmb]

wrong
Just because they outed my role D2 doesn’t mean they knew it coming into N1. Remember FMFT claimed activated informed. That means whatever it was that gave scum my role info, it was very likely something that happened N1.

Activated Informed sounds like made up bullshit to escape an execution.

[Andresvmb]

wrong
Just because they outed my role D2 doesn’t mean they knew it coming into N1. Remember FMFT claimed activated informed. That means whatever it was that gave scum my role info, it was very likely something that happened N1.

Activated Informed sounds like made up bullshit to escape an execution.

But if you’re claiming that they got the info N1 through some other means, the only way is Role Cop. The claim was extremely precise, and you agreed with it.