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Post Post #4050 (ISO) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:18 am

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In post 4047, morph the cat wrote:
In post 4046, Ircher wrote:Elaborate since you've outted.
Noting that you didn't ask the same of us when I outed that we targeted Sigmund N1/S2.
Pretty sure someone else asked you to do so, so there wasn't a need for me to ask you.
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Post Post #4051 (ISO) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:28 am

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Post Post #4052 (ISO) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:51 am

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In post 4024, Bell wrote:This is an opinion only appealing to bingle.
It's not really an opinion appealing to Bingle. Just because in this particular case I didn't see waiting on claims as useful/worthwhile does not think that I normally don't or even that I scumread people who want to.

If he's attempting to pocket me internally inconsistent walls with only a single aspect of analysis is a very poor way to go about it.
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Post Post #4053 (ISO) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:51 am

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In post 4050, Ircher wrote:
In post 4047, morph the cat wrote:
In post 4046, Ircher wrote:Elaborate since you've outted.
Noting that you didn't ask the same of us when I outed that we targeted Sigmund N1/S2.
Pretty sure someone else asked you to do so, so there wasn't a need for me to ask you.
I don't think this is a thing that has happened.
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Post Post #4054 (ISO) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:54 am

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Post Post #4055 (ISO) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:55 am

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If it helps I don't think you (or MC, atm) should claim. MC has claimed "potentially useful role". That's the whole spectrum. Fuck, fruit vendors are potentially useful roles.
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Post Post #4056 (ISO) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:56 am

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We have no intention of claiming.

Ircher's voiced a scumread of us and yet
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Post Post #4057 (ISO) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 8:01 am

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In post 4001, MURDERCAT wrote:Ok I am sleeping now, here is how far I got.

Anya wagon analysis:

Ircher – Leaves a nonconsequential vote on Anya as the wagon grows all the way to hammer, but never really pushes it the way you would if you wanted bus cred I think.

Titus – I am going to wait to look at the start of D2 to understand Titus. I really don’t like that I am straight town in given my iso at that point. But actually I just looked back at it and I was somewhat active at the start. I’m also not sure what to make of anya being lean scum despite the quotes leading up to that post, but I guess lean scum is the strongest read in that list. Maybe Titus is just town actually, but I’m still going to reread the start of this day later. Ok future MC here, I think I will just townbin Titus.

Dunn – I don’t like how Dunn has shaded me, but there isn’t a lot of talk about Anya in either direction, it’s literally just the vote.

LLD – Still don’t like LLD, think it was a D1 bus. The quotes that I posted in just feel off to me. I know LLD is a forceful player but it’s too confident. Like what is even saying? What in the Anya quotes makes LLD “very certain”? And the reasoning in just feels so fake to me. “There is something genuine lacking there” isn’t a real thought imo.
I would like elaboration on all of these.

What makes Irch's vote nonconsequential while he's stuck in catchup hell? When was his opportunity to push for bus cred?

How is Titus's D2 a good look for Titus on the Anya wagon?

Why is Dunn's shade of absent you bad? Why isn't his vote without a push good for him in the same way as Irch's?

Why does LLD hardbus there? Have you played with LLD before?
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Post Post #4058 (ISO) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:00 am

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LLD CAN I BE UR KNIGHT IN SHINING ARMOR AS WELL?
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Post Post #4059 (ISO) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:01 am

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Also unwnd got back to me and said the may part of my ability is only there to be vague just for the sake of it
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Post Post #4060 (ISO) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:52 am

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In post 4049, Thestatusquo wrote:This looks a lot like town murdercat to me.
Hmm. Doesn't seem that way to me. I remember town murdercat to be much more productive and proficient with his reads, and able to obvtown when pressured.

This game is a bit different and i admit that i am still very very confused about what is going on, but i wouldn't say murdercat is necessarily town based on his analysis. I disagree with his scumreads, but i agree with his townreads, which is kind of a red flag.
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Post Post #4061 (ISO) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:08 am

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In post 4060, Farkran wrote:
In post 4049, Thestatusquo wrote:This looks a lot like town murdercat to me.
Hmm. Doesn't seem that way to me. I remember town murdercat to be much more productive and proficient with his reads, and able to obvtown when pressured.

This game is a bit different and i admit that i am still very very confused about what is going on, but i wouldn't say murdercat is necessarily town based on his analysis. I disagree with his scumreads, but i agree with his townreads, which is kind of a red flag.
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Post Post #4062 (ISO) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:15 am

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In post 4061, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 4060, Farkran wrote:
In post 4049, Thestatusquo wrote:This looks a lot like town murdercat to me.
Hmm. Doesn't seem that way to me. I remember town murdercat to be much more productive and proficient with his reads, and able to obvtown when pressured.

This game is a bit different and i admit that i am still very very confused about what is going on, but i wouldn't say murdercat is necessarily town based on his analysis. I disagree with his scumreads, but i agree with his townreads, which is kind of a red flag.
I challenge you to find a day one of a large theme where that is true.
Given that this is probably my... third large theme, i think? i have no experience with your question

But do you believe that town!murdercat puts artemiana and LLD at the opposite sides of his readlist based on the analysis that he did around post 4000?
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Post Post #4063 (ISO) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:38 am

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Maybe. I think it's possible. But you're making a claim about how you expect murdercat to be in d1 and 2 in a large theme and I'm telling you that's explicitly not the case.
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Post Post #4064 (ISO) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:52 am

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In post 4063, Thestatusquo wrote:Maybe. I think it's possible. But you're making a claim about how you expect murdercat to be in d1 and 2 in a large theme and I'm telling you that's explicitly not the case.
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Post Post #4065 (ISO) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:53 am

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In post 4049, Thestatusquo wrote:This looks a lot like town murdercat to me.
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Post Post #4066 (ISO) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:53 am

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I'm alao having a hard time SR Ircher
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Post Post #4067 (ISO) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:53 am

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In post 4066, Artemiana wrote:I'm alao having a hard time SR Ircher
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Post Post #4068 (ISO) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:57 am

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In post 4064, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 4063, Thestatusquo wrote:Maybe. I think it's possible. But you're making a claim about how you expect murdercat to be in d1 and 2 in a large theme and I'm telling you that's explicitly not the case.
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Post Post #4069 (ISO) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:09 am

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Can we murder NDMath yet? Look at their ISO. Their defense of anya and attacking my read.

This is obvious scum. Let's take the gimmies first.
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Post Post #4070 (ISO) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:11 am

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In post 4067, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 4066, Artemiana wrote:I'm alao having a hard time SR Ircher
Who DO you SR
That's a good question, i got a bout of insecurity yesterday and I'm probably going to need to take a bigger look i to my null reads
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Post Post #4071 (ISO) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:12 am

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I would not mind an elimination in ND math
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Post Post #4072 (ISO) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:19 am

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Then put your votes where your mouths are. My vote remains where it is.

Let's see what people do. I really wanna see what choices people make.
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Post Post #4073 (ISO) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:03 pm

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VOTE: ND
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Post Post #4074 (ISO) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:08 pm

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i don't see why scum MC makes the decision to push LLD here, it just does not seem like a good idea for survivability.

but i don't find this analysis towny, either.

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