Open 815: Forest Fire Redux [Endgame]

[Ydrasse]

i don't think the read has much weight for anyone else nor do i have the right words to explain the reasons i feel about it the way i do without it being frustrating for other people to understand so i'm not going to belabor the point on it, but it's meaningful enough to me that i'm not wanting to vote him in this moment.

[Ydrasse]

child's read on me didn't really feel like it was something someone would have to dig into much, because to me it boils down to "when post actual thoughts, feels towny." i don't get an aura of solving and i'm a bit put off by child calling things interesting and like... eh. that's about how i feel about it. like, i guess i feel like child is a bit townier after it but it's just because they shared some thoughts about things which is like, at least they're thinking about this game and playing it a bit but it didn't move me to the point where i felt like they were actively solving, or engaging much. just some reads put out and then that's it.

[Infinity 324]

Y'all have so much trust in each other idgi

If I get fooled once I need at least 3 games of recovery before I can go back to townreading that person again

[Infinity 324]

Wrt child the fact that she's looking at your tone in the shorter post vs the longer posts closely enough to notice that they feel different stands out to me

[Ydrasse]

i haven't been fooled by him yet that i can remember actually?

it's basically just "i know this person well and this feels in character to their town" which is like... it's not a very good read because i haven't played against scum!him but. it's worked, and i'm willing to stick by it until it doesn't work. there are just small things i see that don't mean anything to anyone else but i recognize him acting /naturally/ i guess, maybe is a good way to put it.

p-edit: i don't get a lot from it personally, dunno. it's boiling down to effort to me and it feels like a begrudging read, i'm unsure. child doesn't have a reason to give me one of those i guess.

[Prism]

My concern with Child was that they've held off and been very intentional about holding off on voting and reserving their thoughts until sharp. That's usually a great thing as town, but with only really having the push on me, it made reading them quite difficult. I appreciated the wall and found it pretty solid.

I don't know if I share the concern that they don't have an "aura of solving"

[Ydrasse]

i think i just want to be right on at least one scum right now but it's like grasping for straws.

[Prism]

It confuses me that you see clearly that you have a sampling error with Hectic, and that you have this sort of less-rational inertia of wanting to be right, but are just stepping right into the hole in the ground anyway.

[Ydrasse]

i've been confronted with the same counter-argument before but i also feel like i haven't... had reason to challenge it, i guess. like there's been nothing in a game that i've found so egregious thus far that i step back and go "yikes, maybe i'm wrong here."

dunno, i'm willing to be the fool one day, or to challenge it when i feel there's something i wouldn't expect from him as town.

[Infinity 324]

Prism, I would go back to that one post where hectic felt very obviously nervous about you tunneling on him and point out that it seems unlikely that he would put a lot of effort into acting naturally but also let surface-level scummy nervousness show through, but you thought that post was very scummy, so /shrug

I mostly share ydrasse's feeling but with a more skeptical approach

[Prism]

That annoyance/fear wasn't an accident as scum, it would have been intentional hoping it shook me off. I didn't like that framing and found it unnatural.

[Prism]

You can feel nervous when getting pressed as scum, but it's not uncontrollable or completely useless and you can absolutely selectively show/channel it for an intentional result

[Infinity 324]

Normally as scum I'm worried about showing nervousness about people pushing me, because I'm like "it's super surface level scummy and someone's gonna point that out" but maybe I'm just projecting that.

[Infinity 324]

I guess my argument is that hectic would be unlikely to use that intentionally for fear of how it would be viewed by people other than you, but yeah maybe I'm just wrong about that.

[Prism]

It would not shock me if Hectic is town. Tammy has previously pointed out that I have an issue with raking people more familiar with my play completely over the coals, and Hectic has once before been a victim even if I'm 3 for 4 (w/ Happy Face mafia added) overall.

If that's the case, though, I feel as though I don't have enough information to see it and am more than happy to vote him until I do.

[Infinity 324]

Is there a reason you've cared so much more about ydrasse's hectic read than mine which I believe I haven't really explained until now

[Prism]

Earlier I knew the degree of familiarity might help. The more recent one tilted the hell out of me because of how I view the game.

I wasn't even aware off the top of my head that you had one, and even thinking I still can't remember it. I was definitely not looking for one specifically from you so it probably was not memorable in contrast to the readflip on me. I might review your ISO if I feel like it, but right now I don't.

[Ydrasse]

i really would explain it better so it wasn’t as tilting because i don’t think i did a good job at it, apologies.

[Prism]

It's not really a you or your read problem, it's fine to townread him because when you come down to it you think he's genuine. I view the game very aesthetically, somewhere between a sport and an art, and place a huge weight on fundamental skills. To me, Hectic not knowing how to fake that kind of frustration/annoyance would be akin to meeting an MLB player and watching them not know how to hold the bat.

But maybe he doesn't, or maybe he does and is town anyway.

[Ydrasse]

i think he can fake it is the miscommunication and i was going off a few very like... abstract cues/assumptions of motivation for the why as to those things. oh well. easier to tell when he’s posting again.

[Ydrasse]

t3’s iso is short but fine.

[Infinity 324]

To me, Hectic not knowing how to fake that kind of frustration/annoyance would be akin to meeting an MLB player and watching them not know how to hold the bat.

Man I feel like if someone knows you well being able to fake that convincingly is more akin to knowing how to hit a nasty curveball

Could be overestimating this though

[Prism]

This website does enjoy proving me wrong anytime I assume scum knows how to play the game

[Lukewarm]

Hello, I have returned from V/LA.

Will catch up

[Lukewarm]

like “i think this person is scum/has some bad takes/etc” and sees them voting someone and goes “well i wouldn’t be opposed but we should give them time but if it’s not good enough fine we can kill the slot.”

maybe it’s the fact child is interacting like that with someone they don’t trust and don’t consider the implications of said person voting someone else.

i’m trying to work out in my head if child/johnny could be together based on that because it feels like child doesn’t really want johnny dead but is willing to bite the bullet given his absence/lack of control on the game.

I looked back at this, and I noticed that Child had already independently stated a scum lean on Johnny, so is it actually that strange that they would still be okay with that elimination today, regardless of their read on Prism?

T3 and Johnny both feel less towny to me due to their "I'm just going to hop in, vote, and leave" gameplans