Mini Normal 2213 - Village (End Game)

[Save The Dragons]

UNVOTE:

can you explain a little more kyouko

[Andresvmb]

They don’t have a guilty because I’m Town and they’re full of shit.

[Andresvmb]

This is like desperation level bad now.

[Andresvmb]

I hardclaim Vanilla Town. They can’t have any guilty of any sort, because I don’t have a Night Action and I’m Town.

Your desperate attempt at saving your buddy is not going to work.

[Andresvmb]

Here’s a question for you. How the FUCK does activated informed get anyone out of an execution?

And this is just blatant btw in terms of how horrific it is.

CLEARLY people unvoted FMFT once they partly claimed Gamma’s role. Anybody that goes back and reads can see it. So I don’t have to theorize about it - anyone that pays any attention can clearly see that it had the effect of reducing pressure on FMFT. Had it not been for Dunn’s guilty, chances are they avoid execution there. So this is just obviously bad.

[Save The Dragons]

What’s going on in 1233 1235 & 1236

pretty self explanatory

[Andresvmb]

So if Kyouko wants to come in and explain their guilty, please, I’m waiting. Because if the thought is that we had a Cop, a Lazy Backup Cop, and some other sort of Investigative that could directly figure out my alignment, then they’re full of shit.

[Save The Dragons]

so it's either {gamma, kyouko} or {andres, ???} interesting

[Save The Dragons]

i'm still leaning gamma but i want to at least hear from kyouko

[Andresvmb]

i'm still leaning gamma but i want to at least hear from kyouko

Kyouko is outted Scum btw. They’re trying to not directly lose the game. This is not a tactic I would have endorsed, but here we are.

[Andresvmb]

UNVOTE:

Wait let’s back it up.

Why would Scum do this?

[Andresvmb]

If Gamma is Scum, Kyouko doesn’t have to come out with a guilty on me now. It locks them into a straight loss once I flip Town. That doesn’t make sense.

At the same time, maybe they think Gamma can survive at F3?

[Andresvmb]

If Gamma is Town though by some miracle, then what’ll happen is either Gamma or I get executed, and if we’re both Town, in almost every situation the other person gets executed.

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: Kyouko

[Andresvmb]

I still very much think Gamma is Scum. But Kyouko has given me certainty that they’re Scum.

Ask yourself the question - how likely is it that we have a Cop Enabler, a Cop / Jailkeeper, a Lazy Backup Cop, AND some other Investigative, and the Scum actively chose to avoid shooting the Enabler before shooting at the Cop with a guilty?

[Andresvmb]

The choice today has to be between Kyouko and I. That way, we definitely don’t run into consecutive mis-executions by some miracle and immediately lose. If we actually execute correctly and execute Kyouko, then I’ll get NK’ed and you can all execute Gamma without having the game on the line. If that’s wrong, then you can make a decision in ELo.

[Andresvmb]

But if you really think the guilty from Kyouko comes out the way that it has, given the roles that have been exposed in the game, then I don’t know what to say.

[Andresvmb]

This is exciting - I’m actually not going to Endgame here since I’ll be an IC. So my slot gets resolved today every time.

[Andresvmb]

If I get executed so be it. I’ve already said my play hasn’t been good, so I don’t expect people to read my ISO and immediately think I’m Town. But think just how dumb I would have to be to realize we’re about to execute a PR and instead of staying silent or on the sidelines I try and stop it.

[Andresvmb]

^that’s D1.

[Andresvmb]

If anybody wants to ask me anything I’m an open book.

[Andresvmb]

Okay so I’m guessing Kyouko is going to claim Follower yeah?

[Andresvmb]

So they are going to say that they checked me and I performed a killing action, and that this is what their guilty is based on. That’s my guess. Which would correspond with Gamma’s claim that they’re a Follower Enabler also.

[Andresvmb]

So it is entirely within the realm of possibility that Gamma is Town, and that this is a ploy to win the game.

[Andresvmb]

@STD we need to execute Kyouko today. It’s going to feel wrong, because you’re executing the player claiming to have a guilty and not the check itself, but if I’m right, this could cost us the game.