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[The Limit Does Not Exist]

@cakes

pooky had gamma in his pg5 solve
gamma was in my pg19 solve
umlaut is the only person to call gamma town in this game
datisi, skitter, and I have all at various points questioned him

I strongly disagree that gamma didn’t already have momentum going on him when you voted

- lilith

[Menalque]

DAY ONE

VOTECOUNT 1.9

[4] Kerset:

Almost50, PenguinPower, Gamma Emerald, Dwlee99

[3] SirCakez:

The Limit Does Not Exist, PookyTheMagicalBear, xHeavenx

[3] Gamma Emerald:

Tigerente, Datisi, SirCakez

[1] Tigerente:

Umlaut

[1] Dwlee99:

Gypyx

[1] Almost50:

Kerset

[0] Not Voting:

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

The deadline is in (expired on 2021-06-13 13:55:00).

MOD NOTES

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skitter30

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V/LA

on weekends

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Datisi

is

V/LA

until Thursday

• Joined mod ISO

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[Kerset]

@kerset

Another thing to be honest is that I feel like nobody cares for my opinion anyways, so I just haven't been giving them.

Say something controversial about person, who wasn't on the spotlight so far! Like 'lilith is scum, who tries to derail kerset wagon but had no problem with cakez'.

Spicy. how do you feel about me opposing your wagon?

- lilith

so many posts per minute, i had to spam -submit- button

You might be unaware about it but there are only you, xHeavenx, Dwlee99 and borkjerfkin haven't played with me before. I think that the push on me is based on people knowledge about my meta and you are one of the people not aware about it. That is the reason why you question it. In fact there is general pattern that can be noticed.

[xHeavenx]

Please eliminate SirCakez I'll take the blame if it's wrong.

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

@kerset

Another thing to be honest is that I feel like nobody cares for my opinion anyways, so I just haven't been giving them.

Say something controversial about person, who wasn't on the spotlight so far! Like 'lilith is scum, who tries to derail kerset wagon but had no problem with cakez'.

Spicy. how do you feel about me opposing your wagon?

- lilith

so many posts per minute, i had to spam -submit- button

You might be unaware about it but there are only you, xHeavenx, Dwlee99 and borkjerfkin haven't played with me before. I think that the push on me is based on people knowledge about my meta and you are one of the people not aware about it. That is the reason why you question it. In fact there is general pattern that can be noticed.

okay I meant more like, do you think that’s alignment-indicative?

what’s the pattern?

- lilith

[SirCakez]

How the FUCK am I supposed to scum hunt and talk about things besides me when y'all won't shut the fuck up about my posts and nitpicking everything I do
I call out A50, get poked
I call out Gamma, get pulled into this useless fucking argument about whether there was "momentum" or not
I post a half page of catch-up and then somebody literally says i didn't catch-up
It's exhausting

[xHeavenx]

I'm just one person, who's everyone?

[SirCakez]

And then I post thoughts and stuff looking for help sorting my townreads like with Tig and it gets fucking ignored because everyone is just playing whack a cakez
Don't fucking blame me you wouldn't be able to do anything either

[Datisi]

the fact that cakez ignored 918 is making me hmm

which i feel kind of bad pointing out at this very moment considering his most recent posts but it is what it is

[Kerset]

@mods can we get a prod on kerset

I have my own way of prodding her

VOTE: Kerset

Cakez i still don't follow your logic. A50 didn't pursue me, just gave an activity vote. How do you get scum agenda from there. Like there should be actions behind it to make such point.

[xHeavenx]

Do you think those people are scummy for pushing you?

[SirCakez]

almost50 screwing around is how he towntells

+1 to this
he appears to be playing to that jokey meta here
iirc he was more serious in Tenet as scum

VOTE: almost50
let's shake this tree

mr sir cakez i have a question

I'm not interested in Kerset. Feels like limbait and also the game has stalled around the two wagons on him and I

i'm not sure where you're getting this? you were a stalled wagon sure, but kerset's sprung up basically overnight, got to 6 votes, and right after that is in the midst of collapsing. how is that stalled?

+1 to this
he appears to be playing to that jokey meta here
iirc he was more serious in Tenet as scum

VOTE: almost50
let's shake this tree

Cakez is really scummy here and I'm disappointed his wagon fell off. What's townie about someone who comes back and votes consensus wagon in the middle of an apparent catchup? Don't you care about your own thoughts and how they could change based on unknown information? Apparently not.

I really have the strong feeling after catchup that scum are all over Kerset

Who are the scum on kerset’s wagon?

- lilith

Cakez is really scummy here and I'm disappointed his wagon fell off. What's townie about someone who comes back and votes consensus wagon in the middle of an apparent catchup? Don't you care about your own thoughts and how they could change based on unknown information? Apparently not.

what consensus wagon? I voted A50 who has no votes and then Gamma who has two votes.
and I always place votes and stuff while catching up because it reflects my thoughts while reading

Gamma has huge momentum right now. It's pretty much a building counterwagon

What does this matter anyways? Your vote doesn't need to be justified to me, because if you think it's the right one I should be able to get that from your posts. I don't, I just see you vying for relevancy as you driveby numerous topics, eventually leading to a non-committal vote.

I changed my mind bc of the Kerset vote

but what does a50 have to do with votes on me?

Cakez is really scummy here and I'm disappointed his wagon fell off. What's townie about someone who comes back and votes consensus wagon in the middle of an apparent catchup? Don't you care about your own thoughts and how they could change based on unknown information? Apparently not.

what consensus wagon? I voted A50 who has no votes and then Gamma who has two votes.
and I always place votes and stuff while catching up because it reflects my thoughts while reading

Gamma is where the wind is currently blowing, since several people are scumreading him and very few are townreading him

- lilith

I really have the strong feeling after catchup that scum are all over Kerset

Who are the scum on kerset’s wagon?

- lilith

Dwlee, A50, Gamma

How are you getting this when you're not even broadly defining why these three make sense? It just seems so fake I'm sorry.

As usual
U don't have my back

buddy if you do that town thing you do then I'll get your back

Cakez is really scummy here and I'm disappointed his wagon fell off. What's townie about someone who comes back and votes consensus wagon in the middle of an apparent catchup? Don't you care about your own thoughts and how they could change based on unknown information? Apparently not.

what consensus wagon? I voted A50 who has no votes and then Gamma who has two votes.
and I always place votes and stuff while catching up because it reflects my thoughts while reading

Gamma has huge momentum right now. It's pretty much a building counterwagon

What does this matter anyways? Your vote doesn't need to be justified to me, because if you think it's the right one I should be able to get that from your posts. I don't, I just see you vying for relevancy as you driveby numerous topics, eventually leading to a non-committal vote.

Where is the "huge momentum"? This is such a misrep and objectively false.
I responded because it's bullshit you're spewing and it needs to be called out.

I agree with heaven so don’t think it’s a misrep. What makes you say gamma is not a building counterwagon?

- lilith

hi I'm back so you can stop vomiting crap about me avoiding the thread

I'm glad you're back dude

it would be boring af to kill you while you weren't here

As usual
U don't have my back

for some reason, this post gave me big vibes to your play in the secret hitler marathon where you were scum

You've been talking to Unwnd and Cabd too much
Those assholes keep wagging towntells in my face and not telling me what they are

you know if you just pulled up some of your recent town/scum games and read thru them you'd see some pretty clear divergent behavior lol

Multiple people have been talking about gamma since yesterday?

- lilith

As usual
U don't have my back

buddy if you do that town thing you do then I'll get your back

You've been talking to Unwnd and Cabd too much
Those assholes keep wagging towntells in my face and not telling me what they are

are Unwnd and Cabd in this game????

[SirCakez]

the fact that cakez ignored 918 is making me hmm

which i feel kind of bad pointing out at this very moment considering his most recent posts but it is what it is

What am I supposed to say to that? Honestly I don't even care enough to want to bother it's so vague

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

And then I post thoughts and stuff looking for help sorting my townreads like with Tig and it gets fucking ignored because everyone is just playing whack a cakez
Don't fucking blame me you wouldn't be able to do anything either

where did you ask for help with townreads?

it’s honestly felt like none of your posts have been meant to actually result in a conversation with anyone, so if that was your intent then please requote

- lilith

[SirCakez]

Do you think those people are scummy for pushing you?

No but I wish they would leave me alone for a few minutes so I could stop talking about myself and actually scumhunt

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Lilith is a monster

[Kerset]

okay I meant more like, do you think that’s alignment-indicative?

what’s the pattern?

- lilith

not really but i guess that you didn't fake
simply that people, who played with me understood each other and others didn't

[xHeavenx]

Do you think those people are scummy for pushing you?

No but I wish they would leave me alone for a few minutes so I could stop talking about myself and actually scumhunt

I don't get that, if I'm town and I'm being apparently dogpiled on then the scumteam finds the opposition to be worth something? I also don't get what your quotes there are supposed to represent, it just seems like people talking about you. The only person who wants you to die is probably me.

[SirCakez]

Looking at pooky a little bit atm; I do like the way he brought up 360. I don't think it's something he had to do as scum here - I'm not really sure scum-pooky has any reason to really believe that I'm going to be so unelimable that he has to go a route where he's basically setting himself up to have to eventually townread me, especially considering I hadn't posted at all up until yesterday

That said I'm a little bit alarmed as to how hard he's going against cakez right now, it almost seems harder than lilith herself is and on some level I feel like explanations about confidence in lilith being town morphed into confidence in lilith being correct about cakez and I'd definitely like to untangle the two as far as where his cakez read is at

-b

ftr I'd expect this from town!pooky, using Warehouse 13 as an example

almost50 screwing around is how he towntells

+1 to this
he appears to be playing to that jokey meta here
iirc he was more serious in Tenet as scum

the fact Bork is posting content means Tig is prolly town too!

I think I'm going to have too many townreads this game

I'm not interested in Kerset. Feels like limbait and also the game has stalled around the two wagons on him and I which makes me think he's also town and scum are just happy with this gamestate.

ugh Tig has me conflicted. I like bork but it feels like skitter could be WKing me
:/

can you elab on this SS? do you think it makes Penguin scum? this wording is strange.

I really have the strong feeling after catchup that scum are all over Kerset

like he feels like such a scum-designated miselim

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Cakez RN:

[SirCakez]

Do you think those people are scummy for pushing you?

No but I wish they would leave me alone for a few minutes so I could stop talking about myself and actually scumhunt

I don't get that, if I'm town and I'm being apparently dogpiled on then the scumteam finds the opposition to be worth something? I also don't get what your quotes there are supposed to represent, it just seems like people talking about you. The only person who wants you to die is probably me.

it was response to 931 about who is "everyone"

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

What a weird thing to comment on especially when you most likely don’t understand.

Well, wanna help me out then? From what I remember, you used the wind gag as a way to low-key canvass for votes on someone you scumread. I remember you using it multiple times and I believe it was fairly effective.

Here you're... doing a callback? Because you don't scumread us, or at least you don't want to vote us. So I don't understand why you're doing it, that is correct, and that makes me think that you're forcing yourself to do it for whatever reason. Maybe that's a valid reason-- forced doesn't mean scum.

-S

[Datisi]

I've loved your thoroughness recently Datisi and you've completely won me over, while you still retain some hmm I no longer think it's scummy. If other people were more engaging and less ambiguous like you I think I could read them easier but I can't. Is there anyone here that you think would intentionally veil themselves as scum? Maybe due to lack of townie thought?

i should probably respond to this finally - i'm going to retain that hmm throughout the game. and the moment i no longer have that hmm is the moment you should start getting worried. and i don't think there is? out of people that i need to be sorting, i either think of them as at least semi-competent players (who wouldn't be doing that) or i don't actually know enough about their scumplay to be able to say.

i was planning on responding to this when i got to my laptop and was able to think this through, but the conversation since has left me more confused than anything so oops

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

Looking at pooky a little bit atm; I do like the way he brought up 360. I don't think it's something he had to do as scum here - I'm not really sure scum-pooky has any reason to really believe that I'm going to be so unelimable that he has to go a route where he's basically setting himself up to have to eventually townread me, especially considering I hadn't posted at all up until yesterday

That said I'm a little bit alarmed as to how hard he's going against cakez right now, it almost seems harder than lilith herself is and on some level I feel like explanations about confidence in lilith being town morphed into confidence in lilith being correct about cakez and I'd definitely like to untangle the two as far as where his cakez read is at

-b

ftr I'd expect this from town!pooky, using Warehouse 13 as an example

almost50 screwing around is how he towntells

+1 to this
he appears to be playing to that jokey meta here
iirc he was more serious in Tenet as scum

the fact Bork is posting content means Tig is prolly town too!

I think I'm going to have too many townreads this game

I'm not interested in Kerset. Feels like limbait and also the game has stalled around the two wagons on him and I which makes me think he's also town and scum are just happy with this gamestate.

ugh Tig has me conflicted. I like bork but it feels like skitter could be WKing me
:/

can you elab on this SS? do you think it makes Penguin scum? this wording is strange.

I really have the strong feeling after catchup that scum are all over Kerset

like he feels like such a scum-designated miselim

I don’t see anywhere where you asked for help or tried to engage with anyone else about these? so I’m not sure what you’re complaining about

- lilith

[SirCakez]

Cakez RN:

Spoiler: gross gif be warned