Open 815: Forest Fire Redux [Endgame]

[Lukewarm]

I still read through the thread, and am seeing Prism as scum, but then everyone else is dropping town reads on her. Maybe it is just a playstyle clash. /shrug

I am struggling to find a solid scum lean else where tho. Like, I felt like Johnny was a bit scummy, but then they are V/LA and clearly dealing with other things right now, and that could explain it.

I am getting townie feels from fidget, infinity, ydra, t3, and child.

So I guess, I am left with Hectic.

So I think that right now I am at Prism>Johnny>Hectic>>>Everyone else

But then I don't think that Prism and Hectic are partners.

I think that I would like the elimination to be within those three at the moment

[Prism]

The crux of your push on me was the selfhammering line. I presented the history, explained that I am trying to be less spiteful, cited regretful posts in contexts where I have no incentivize to lie, and will not do so despite the temptation.

If you think I happen to be lying this time/this instance for towncred, then okay, but your starting thesis seems to be that I would not feel or act this way to begin with, and you have been given all the evidence in the world that I do regularly.

I don't understand why you are hung up on the selfhammer line and not revisited other, more indicative parts of my play.

[Lukewarm]

My scum read on you currently, is resting more on how you acted at e-1 then any of the self hammer conversations.

You were being scum read by half the lobby, and personally frustrated that those scum reads were getting in your way of sorting Hectic.

If I were in that situation, I think I would have considered maybe me being the Day 1 elim would not be such a bad thing. It would solve the problem of people scum reading me, and give me the trusted voice of being an IC.

I don't know that I would have self hammered in that situation, but I don't think I would have fought so aggressively against it.

None of that has anything to do with your meta. That has to do with your play, given this games mechanics, not lining up with how I would expect town to react.

[Prism]

I'll reserve waxing further on my personal history more out of courtesy than lack of relevancy. Thanks for making that more clear.

[Lukewarm]

Prism, who do you currently have as the most scummy? Because I feel like looking through your iso, you are kinda fence-sitting with your reads.

Like, you are voting Hectic, but also

It would not shock me if Hectic is town.

And then you are okay voting Johnny as a compromise, but the most recent thing I can find you saying about him is

Reread Johnny, 252 is better than I realized at first pass.

GTH, who is your top pick for scum right now?

[Prism]

It should be very obvious that my top pick is Hectic and my second is Johnny. I gave plenty of my perspective on this in the post I voted him.

I have been very clear that I feel I need more information from both Johnny and Hectic. The context of 498 is that I'm increasingly growing wary of other slots I have given mostly free passes (eg. Infinity/Ydrasse). Your quote of 498 clips both that and why I thought Johnny was the best vote at the time of that post:

It's really just 253 that I don't like. Still probably the best vote but this leaves me increasingly skeptical of other slots.

Your quote of 539 clips me being very explicit about wanting more information:

If [he is town], I feel as though I don't have enough information to see it and am more than happy to vote him until I do.

Other posts outlining this idea 1 2 3

I have split hairs over the use of the term "confidence" repeatedly and will do so again. Willingness to aggressively pursue my reads should not be interpreted as certainty that they are right.

[Ydrasse]

have you explained your wariness anywhere yet?

[Prism]

Implication of the quoted 498's "skeptical of other slots" is that lower confidence in Johnny means a higher chance of other slots, and a bit here.

my fear now is something more like Hectic/Ydrasse going through the motions than legitimately sorting each other.

This is more skepticism by default than anything actually scummy. I had a post that called the people in this section the "next on deck" that I don't appear to have actually posted, but I believe the bottom 3 at that time were Johnny/Hectic/Child while the "next on deck" was T3/Ydrasse/Infinity. These were ordered S->T in both lists of 3.

[Ydrasse]

have you expressed any townreads you feel good about? (if you have you can link them, i’m not asking to make you rehash them unless they’re updated, i’m just at work and idly trying to catch up.)

[Prism]

I will eat Hectic's oldest athletic shoe boiled in a pot of grape Kool-Aid if Lukewarm is scum and I feel OK putting Fidget as a townlean. I also feel really, really good about Infinity's intentions the last few pages, which were genuinely concerned at a time when she would benefit greatly from just letting me tunnel Hectic.

[Lukewarm]

I will eat Hectic's oldest athletic shoe boiled in a pot of grape Kool-Aid if Lukewarm is scum

ohh, something to look forward to after I flip

[Lukewarm]

I am realizing that our reads are almost perfectly aligned (excluding your slot of course)

[Lukewarm]

Fuck it

VOTE: hectic

[Ydrasse]

i don’t remember how to play as town anymore

[Ydrasse]

not voting: prism, hectic
probably not voting: luke(?), t3, fidget/infinity...??
could vote: johnny, child

nothing’s appealing.

i don’t know if i have a real read on luke right now but he’s here and trying and without digging into it it’s felt passively town in the past few pages so whatever.

[Lukewarm]

i don’t remember how to play as town anymore

My plan is flail blindly day 1, and see what happens.

Then heavily examine those things that happen Night 1 / Day 2

Maybe try that?

[Ydrasse]

not vibing w it

[Lukewarm]

[Infinity 324]

My townread on luke is slightly weaker than prism's

[Prism]

not voting: prism

I...don't see why I'm here? This page it seems like you were very skeptical of me suddenly being in your PoE, the explanation+backlinks explain that but does it fully negate any skepticism?

Lukewarm is mostly meta but even this page was ridiculously town. I had suggested focusing on other parts of my slot rather than just the selfhammer line. Lukewarm explains it's not just the selfhammer line but my entire behavior around E-1. I say okay. Conversation was over, keep the vote on me and call it a day.

Instead he goes and reads anyway and comes back with 554.

[Prism]

I'm both working and doing frantic house cleaning right now so will be a bit more haphazard/erratic with my posting.

[Infinity 324]

Prism my heart says you're town and not pocketing the whole lobby

I hope you're town

[Ydrasse]

oh i wasn’t skeptical? i was just curious about your thoigh development and i’ve been against you as a vote most of today.

[Prism]

Now that you're at that point, DON'T read any of my scumgames, please only revisit when already close to voting me

[Infinity 324]

That's probably a good idea