Newbie 2067 - Pizza! - End!

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 1-2

Where did pizza originate? What was the first pizza like? What kinds of toppings did the first pizzas have? We will never know for sure what the very first forerunner of pizza was like, but we do know a little about early flatbreads with toppings. For instance, 8000 years ago Persian soldiers baked flatbreads topped with cheese and dates on their shields.

StrangeMatter

(2): Haschel Cedricson, Lukewarm

HockeyFan

(2): StrangeMatter, Zyla

Haschel Cedricson

(1): Save The Dragons

Lukewarm

(1): HockeyFan

Not Voting

(2): Azeru, cyrus62

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: June 20, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-06-19 21:00:00)

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[StrangeMatter]

I'd prefer to do Town reads later, and focus on what we think about possible scum reads/leans right now.

This is the exact opposite of how I approach games lol

I find it easier to find confident town reads early, then I can sort the rest of the players.

I find it easier to get a grasp of who I can assume is Town once there's a lot on several players to POE and make it easier to pick out scum.

[Save The Dragons]

you can call me STD i don't mind

[HockeyFan]

you can call me STD i don't mind

ngl, It didnt even occur there was a T in your name, I just saw a V for some reason, sorry about that!

[Lukewarm]

@HockeyFan, what is your experience with Mafia?

[StrangeMatter]

@HockeyFan, what is your experience with Mafia?

Not all that great, when I've played several chat Mafia games and haven't done all that well.

[HockeyFan]

Uh I sporadically play on mafia.gg. I've been on the site for a year now, but haven't played that much on it. I guess you can say I have a little bit of experience with Mafia?

[StrangeMatter]

Oops, I thought they were talking to me. Whyyyy

[Pavowski]

Good lord, how is this thread 4 pages deep already? I haven't even had the chance to RVS VOTE: Lukewarm yet, and I've been dying to. So there you go!

[Lukewarm]

HockeyFan, I am trying to follow your read progression on STD. Can you explain it more. You gave him a really early "confident town read," then backed it off of it with

Also, speaking about SVD:I did call him town earlier but after seeing post#52 and post#56 idk about that anymore, He was trying to soft defend his possible scum partner so SVD is back to null leaning scum. I also really liked this questioning by Zyla and I feel like scum dont try to push on someone who was already TR'D by 1-2 people.

Who is he protecting there? Strangematter? Do you even scum read Strangematter? I thought I was your strongest scum read, at least you are voting me, so then why would you be of particularly suspicious of his interaction with Strangematter and haschel?

Can you walk me through your thinking?

[Pavowski]

@Zyla I used to like pineapple on pizza until I realized I was just doing it to upset people. I now recognize this topping arrangement as trash

[StrangeMatter]

I'm also a bit confused by the Luke and me partners. @HockeyFan, can you explain why do you think Lukewarm would defend me?

[Zyla]

Honestly, I was expecting to have to wait until IRL tomorrow to have some reads either direction, but I guess I got a strong one early.

With that being said, I will vote Zyla for stealing my question

VOTE: Zyla

I find it interesting that you mention my question but don't actually respond to either of them

I mentioned it because I was going to ask the "Do you like pineapple on pizza" question and it seemed completely NAI but I wanted to see a reaction by voting u. I didn't bother to respond to the other one. I do not know why ignoring a RQS post is scum leaning?

Ignoring is NAI, but mentioning it and not responding seemed a little off to me.
I would still like to know though, do you prefer mafia or town?

are we doing rqs instead of rvs?

i feel confident town will win, how's that?

Already found a confident town, SVD is town

What makes Dragon town from this post? If anything the wording is slightly off for town

ehhh while the wording may be off, I think his original post was towny enough and

this read was pretty lackluster anyways so theres no need to pay too much attention to it

(Unbolded then rebolded for emphasis)
Honestly, while I'm not going to remember every read in the game, I don't think I want to just dismiss one, they can be pretty important

Counterwagon this ASAP

What do you mean by this?

There were a few votes on the table(cant exactly remember who), but none of them were on Luke and I thought Luke was scummy so I wanted to counterwagon Luke

I'm not entirely sure you understand wagons

[Zyla]

you can call me STD i don't mind

That's signature material right there

[HockeyFan]

HockeyFan, I am trying to follow your read progression on STD. Can you explain it more. You gave him a really early "confident town read," then backed it off of it with

Also, speaking about SVD:I did call him town earlier but after seeing post#52 and post#56 idk about that anymore, He was trying to soft defend his possible scum partner so SVD is back to null leaning scum. I also really liked this questioning by Zyla and I feel like scum dont try to push on someone who was already TR'D by 1-2 people.

Who is he protecting there? Strangematter? Do you even scum read Strangematter? I thought I was your strongest scum read, at least you are voting me, so then why would you be of particularly suspicious of his interaction with Strangematter and haschel?

Can you walk me through your thinking?

Ok so, I town read STD because of post#13. That post had the aura of being "I am town, I'm confident and I am going to win this game for town". My read switched on him because of posts #52 and #56 where he said "strangematter, i think haschel wants your attention" and "i just think haschel might know give a newbie a little slack when it comes to not answering". These 2 statements feel like very mafia partnery like to relieve some pressure

As of right now, Strangematter is a null read for me(maybe leaning scum), You are my strongest scum read, so does that mean i'm not allowed to see other pairs in partnership because fwiw the strangematter/STD pair seemed very likely. I was suspicious because I have 0 idea why STD Needs to intervene their. Like my SR'S rn are You -> STD -> StrangeMatter. Hope this helps. and btw, My read on u might change back to null soon based on the

interactions between strange and STD

I am gonna get off for now, so i will be answering questions tmr morning

[HockeyFan]

Honestly, I was expecting to have to wait until IRL tomorrow to have some reads either direction, but I guess I got a strong one early.

With that being said, I will vote Zyla for stealing my question

VOTE: Zyla

I find it interesting that you mention my question but don't actually respond to either of them

I mentioned it because I was going to ask the "Do you like pineapple on pizza" question and it seemed completely NAI but I wanted to see a reaction by voting u. I didn't bother to respond to the other one. I do not know why ignoring a RQS post is scum leaning?

Ignoring is NAI, but mentioning it and not responding seemed a little off to me.
I would still like to know though, do you prefer mafia or town?

I prefer town

are we doing rqs instead of rvs?

i feel confident town will win, how's that?

Already found a confident town, SVD is town

What makes Dragon town from this post? If anything the wording is slightly off for town

ehhh while the wording may be off, I think his original post was towny enough and

this read was pretty lackluster anyways so theres no need to pay too much attention to it

(Unbolded then rebolded for emphasis)
Honestly, while I'm not going to remember every read in the game, I don't think I want to just dismiss one, they can be pretty important

Fair enough but I dont think a read 13-15 posts into the game should be substantive late game but thats just me?

Counterwagon this ASAP

What do you mean by this?

There were a few votes on the table(cant exactly remember who), but none of them were on Luke and I thought Luke was scummy so I wanted to counterwagon Luke

I'm not entirely sure you understand wagons

Ok you may be right in saying I dont, Instead of using "counterwagon", I'll just say I wanted to vote them because of the reasons above

[Lukewarm]

The more you are explaining,

I think that this is just a matter of difference how we would describe reads. What I usually see here on the site is, more of a progression something like leaning town -> weak town read -> Town read -> Hard town read.

So when you came out with a "confident town read" I understood it to be a stronger read then you meant for it to be. And then got whip lash seeing a strong TR change all the way to maybe scum over posts 52 and 56

[Lukewarm]

At the moment, I think that I am leaning town on HockeyFan and Zyla. Zyla has both been more relaxed and more aggressive then she was last game.

No other real reads yet, but I am off to bed

[StrangeMatter]

I'm really not too sure about HockeyFan. To me he seems Town, but I'm very leaning away with his partner reads right now. will bet on saying Zyla's a decently good town read, as much as I wish we had scumreads, this is the best we can do.

This game has been a messy and not too great for me. For now, good night.

[Azeru]

Questions for all:

Do you prefer playing as mafia or town?

Do you like pineapple on pizza?

Depends on my mood, but generally I'd say I prefer playing as mafia.

I don't hate it. Like I'll eat it if it's there, but I wouldn't ever actually order a pizza with pineapple on it.

Here's a random question to everyone.

How confident or nervous are you about winning this game?

I'd be lying if I said I was confident.

[Azeru]

Anyways, skimming through this all before bed. No particular reads so far, but a couple posts pinged my attention.

Here's a random question to everyone.

How confident or nervous are you about winning this game?

Honestly, it's hard to be confident at this stage, but Luke is a pretty good player, so if he's on the Town side I'm pretty optimistic

Here's a random question to everyone.

How confident or nervous are you about winning this game?

I would say decently confident. I am coming into this game off of a pretty good game. Town win on Day 2

On the other hand, it would be hilarious if he were the scum this game

Oh Zyla, must we always be on opposing sides?

I know this was already semi-sorted out, but jokingly or not I think it's questionable at best to assert to another player "we're on opposing sides". Odd wording and a stretch to that conclusion from the previous comment imo.

I'd prefer to do Town reads later, and focus on what we think about possible scum reads/leans right now.

I understand the thought behind this, but it's poorly worded and as a standalone message only serves to deprive town of information. Any read - town read or scum read - is information. I see no particular reason to strive for one or the other first.

[Azeru]

I know this was already semi-sorted out, but jokingly or not I think it's questionable at best to assert to another player "we're on opposing sides".

Odd wording and a stretch to that conclusion from the previous comment imo.

Actually rescinding this part, I misunderstood when I read that interaction the first time, I get it now. The comment itself still strikes me as off though.

[cyrus62]

VOTE: azeruitch ant matter train once wrong next top raindrops at cooking kites everybody runs. i like playing scum i also like playing town . i dont like pineapples on my pizza. sorry kid was typing stuff at random didnt have the heart to remove it. also there's my rvs

[cyrus62]

Vanilla Town is the best role because not only do I get to give zero fucks about drawing the nightkill, it's actually good for me to draw it.

StrangeMatter: Why Hockeyfan?

i have never played you but i think as town we should draw the nk it protects the pr so they can help solve stuff for us. but i get what your saying at the same time no pressure to try to focus and you can just have fun.

[cyrus62]

I'm also a bit confused by the Luke and me partners. @HockeyFan, can you explain why do you think Lukewarm would defend me?

what do you mean by partners?