Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

[borkjerfkin]

Mod Event

beer

Votecount 2.4

Adventurers

:

MURDERCAT [5]: Farkran, NDMath, WhemeStar, Bell, Ircher
NDMath [4]: Titus, MURDERCAT, morph the cat, Artemiana
Ircher [3]: Lady lambdadelta, notscience, Sigmund
Flea the Magician [1]: Guillotina
Dunnstral [1]: White Fire
notscience [1]: Thestatusquo
White Fire [1]: Dunnstral

Not voting [4]: Something_Smart, Flea the Magician, Bingle, Chara

With 20 alive it takes 11 to eliminate. Stratum 2 ends in (expired on 2021-06-14 22:25:25).

[Bell]

I'm voting Titus and Murdercat.

[Farkran]

@flea nothing in particular, but if you're town make sure to have a clear list of your stances.

I would have a hard time arguing with scum!you because i know you can be a good talker so i'd rather use vca and vote patterns to sort you.

However, if you feel that my opinion on your votes and position is wrong, it's still worth it to do your best at explaining why.

Mostly:
1) why did scum not finish you off before town moved to anya?
2) who pushed you in a scummy way from your pov?

[borkjerfkin]

i'll sort it out.

edit: updated.

[morph the cat]

I'm voting Titus and Murdercat.

How do you feel about the company you have in the VC?

[Titus]

List of people who are better elims than MC:

Dunn, Ircher, titus, notscience, something_smart.

The only one I'd want to do on this list is SS.

[notscience]

Somehow I don’t think he cares for the opinions of those of us on the list Titus

[Bell]

I'm voting Titus and Murdercat.

How do you feel about the company you have in the VC?

Kind of vacillating wildly on it. At first I liked it, then people I suspected hopped on, and there was no counter wagon so I was like, maybe I'm wrong and then I was like, maybe I'm not. Now I'm in heavy suspicion territory with fellow voters here but I also feel better about scum murderkitty. The more I think about it the less sense his approach makes. I also don't strongly mind the Ndmath counter wagon.

The ircher wagon I have reservations about though. Like a lot, even though the wagon is very pretty.

[Titus]

Somehow I don’t think he cares for the opinions of those of us on the list Titus

Don't really care. I'll give my opinion anyway.

[Bell]

Also, just internally I had reached worried status on Notty, but the RL explanation mostly does away with that.

[Titus]

1. Morph the Cat (fferyllt/Cabd) - town
2. Dunnstral - weak town
4. White Fire (Shiro/Firebringer) - moderate town, downgraded because of absense
5. Lady Lambdadelta - moderate town
6. jjh927 Ircher - weak town based on his reaction to his wagon
7. Artemiana - will always be down to pulverize this unless lylo, faking a guilty on me ruins any trust I can ever have on this slot
8. Sigmund - town
9. Titus - moon
10. Bell - town
12. NDMath - scum, like kill this already
13. WhemeStar - town
14. notscience - moderate town
16. Guillotina - nullscum
18. Flea the Magician - town
19. Chara - moderate scum
20. Thestatusquo - moderate town
21. MURDERCAT - weak town
22. Farkran - null, lean scum
23. Bingle - town
24. Something_Smart - null scum

Updated list to here

[Titus]

Well Murdercat should be moderate town now

[notscience]

Fires definitely been more present than me so I’m not really sure how he got downgraded

Idk shiros meta though, do they disappear as scum?

[Bell]

*pokes notty*
Just making sure bro, you wouldn't betray a bro by lying about being scum would you?

[notscience]

My PR broke with the straw that broke the camels back bell (as did my overall activity)

Not going into it more than that. I’m heading to get some dinner and head home now.

[Bell]

Okay, have a safe drive home and I hope things get easier.

[Titus]

Fires definitely been more present than me so I’m not really sure how he got downgraded

Idk shiros meta though, do they disappear as scum?

I don't remember anything fire has done lately

[morph the cat]

I'm voting Titus and Murdercat.

How do you feel about the company you have in the VC?

Kind of vacillating wildly on it. At first I liked it, then people I suspected hopped on, and there was no counter wagon so I was like, maybe I'm wrong and then I was like, maybe I'm not. Now I'm in heavy suspicion territory with fellow voters here but I also feel better about scum murderkitty. The more I think about it the less sense his approach makes. I also don't strongly mind the Ndmath counter wagon.

The ircher wagon I have reservations about though. Like a lot, even though the wagon is very pretty.

Have you played much with Ircher?

Also, how are you feeling about S_S these days?

[Bell]

S_S seems fine.

I've played with Ircher like 3 times or so. all I really understand is how to correct for some idiosyncrasies and recognize that he's not really genuine when he plays mafia as either alignment.

[Bell]

In other words, I'm somewhat neutral on Ircher, and strongly prefer NDmath and Murderkitty wagons.

[NDMath]

Also i don't like ircher as today's elimination

My current scumreads: murdercat, ndmath, flea, titus

My concerns: chara, guillo, white fire, shea

Everyone else is fine to me as far as today is concerned

Initially had a negative reaction to this list but am liking it more after thinking about it + farkran's followup posts.

I want everyone to name their top 3 preferred votes today, as of right now, and give me a single line as to why for each.

Murdercat - I'm the only name belonging in his top scumread pool and find his reasons for LLD/Bell/Dunn particularly poor. (Dunn reasons are partially inferred.)
Titus - Didn't like her lack of reaction to Bingle wagon nor her tunnel on me.
Whemestar - Made a lot of weak votes that don't accomplish much ie he's struggling to scumread people and I don't believe the roleclaim.

Ndmath - bad wagon position + nka

You still haven't explained how nka points at me.

[notscience]

Mara- 1895, 2176 Is a town approach to Not_mafia, that apprehension and caution about being an elim bait isnt likely to come from scum who knows that the entire purpose of it.

Bell- 1539 Doesnt feel like scum who knew about it, feels like town who missed something. Didnt really need to do Bell. Did it for completion’s sake.

Bingle- Still scum. I’ve been telling you guys all game.

Chara- 206 Feels kinda forced and artificial. Like, “I know I need to address this but not really sure how”. Could be either alignment, but I think its >randscum

Dunn- 1722 Originally states it is likely a double voter, saying not to waste an elim on it, and to kill it with HP damage instead. Surface level a town approach. Dunn talks about not_mafia and playing around the potential as a double vote a fair amount, and I think scum him wouldn’t be focused on something thats so wrong? Like, why does scum Dunn use multiple posts elaborating on and latching onto setup spec he knows is incorrect to have people play MORE safely and not elim it?

Farkran- First mentions notmafia in 271 in a post that literally says nothing. I feel like that is a scum fencesit WRT the notmaf entry. Also then just kinda says “Yeah its definitely scumfueled” in 1718 in a way that yet again feels inorganic. I don’t think anyone in the game doubted it was a scum creation, and this feels again like addressing it but not addressing it.

Flea- Needs a new title so I can search Mafia in their ISO. I tried other permutation and I don’t think Flea ever addressed it,

Guill- See Flea.

Ircher- They are in permanent catchup, but the only time they mention NotMaf is 3593 in response to Sigmund’s “Three in this pool are scum” which is, again, ridiculously obvious its a scum role so it seems very lame to address here (also im also in the pool and we all know how I feel about that)

LLD- Never addresses notmaf.

Morph- not digging through to ffind this but they address they knew what was going on D2, they ignore it day 1, in line with the train of thought as someone who knew it was a bait going in. I still think theyre town but have to include them too

Murdercat- Not an interaction with notmaf but Im including it here for posterity’s sake- 374 calls Farkran’s reaction genuine and I felt like it was anything but the sort. Otherwise totally ignores Not Maf.

NDmath- totally ignored notmaf

Sigmund- Only mention is 1711, a throwaway about how it could be an auto-hammer. Not totally out of the realm of fakeable, but I think that kind of random setup spec about what’s going on that is actually off the mark is more likely a town tell.

S_S- Totally ignores Notmaf

Shea- 276 I like the brusqueness of this, I feel like this seems like a kinda genuine reaction. I suppose you could argue TMI, but this felt like an organic train of thought. Town.

Titus- 1544 notices notmaf, weak votes him in 1705. Like, super weak. Dont think it makes sense from a buddy who knows the inside scoop?

Wheme- 205 greets notmaf in a way I dont think wheme would do as scum? And 211 leans into the incorrect setup spec like hes excited to play with notmaf, which someone who knew he wasnt in the game wouldnt be.

White fire- 1437 acknowledges they need a prod. Tries to start a wagon there in 1645. Was fairly actively pushing a notmafia elim day one, not a great look.

So basically, town reactions-
Bell, Morph, Wheme, Mara, Shea

Lean town-
Dunn, Sigmund, Titus

Ignored him-
LLD, SS, NDMath, MCat, Guill, Flea, Ircher

Scummy reactions-
Farkran, Chara, White Fire,

[notscience]

Please let me know if you have questions, you might need to point me at some things but I'm here for a bit.

[notscience]

I looked at everyone’s interactions with Notmaf because I feel like it’s harder to fake associatives with a buddy who isn’t there and is easier to read genuine cluelessness about it.

[morph the cat]

Can you explain the thought behind doing your PR?

Was it conceived pregame?

Upon getting your role PM?

Upon thread start?

In the scum pt~?