Townstumps Mafia (Endgame)

[Mia and Maya Fey]

I checked the activity overview and it seems like the Feys' activity has fallen off a little. Not sure what to make of that yet.

I noticed that as well.
Was thinking of voting there earlier for that reason.

Why are so many people suddenly being scummy? :/

[Mia and Maya Fey]

I checked the activity overview and it seems like the Feys' activity has fallen off a little. Not sure what to make of that yet.

If you want to go down that road, I'll fabricate a case against you out of thin air and throw the great wallpost of China at you.

You know I can do it. You've seen it happen.

I'm sorry what? Why the sudden reaction? I don't get why me pointing out the activity situation -> you pushing me.

There's plenty of other trails to follow before sniffing out activity issues.

The Feys will keep. If it continues onto D2, sure... I can see a little impatience.

Everybody deserves a little time now and then. That's why I'm not pushing up on Titus, right now.

@nsg this is one of the reasons I’m not vibing with your reads, unless you’ve changed your read here?

[Mia and Maya Fey]

Okay
but like, I was just vocalizing something. Both heads of that hydra are generally active players, so seeing 0 posts for almost a day atp is intriguing. I think an explanation probably exists, I just don't want to ignore it rn

It’s the weekend. I was sleeping. People actually have lives outside of stupid mafia games.

[Gamma Emerald]

I checked the activity overview and it seems like the Feys' activity has fallen off a little. Not sure what to make of that yet.

I’ve been sleeping most of the day. :/. As someone who I believe threatened to “end” a player in a past game for what you correctly read as a bs activity read (my words), I’m surprised you’d even bring something like that up.

I saw something and felt like I should speak up. I was not attempting to insinuate anything with it.
But you have a point about my past experience with such things. Sorry.

[Mia and Maya Fey]

Overall, I think people who are posting but fall in the consensus null range are far more deserving of a wagon

A lot of people think i'm town though

I did until you brought up the activity thing.

[Mia and Maya Fey]

I think both those groups are aligned, with nm/fey being less strongly aligned. So either TvT or SvS like:

Jjh
Mastina
House
Gamma
Cyrus
FMFT
Titus
NK15
Nom
Not mafia
Feys

Or the inverse:

Not mafia
Feys
NK15
House
Gamma
Cyrus
FMFT
Titus
Nom
Jjh
Mastina

I disagree with this. I made that incorrect assumption in a recent game and that resulted in my miseliming a slot because I thought scum was hard defending them.

[Mia and Maya Fey]

If I had rolled scum here I'd be playing to make sure nsg and mastina townread me.

Very good point actually.

There's no point in playing to mastina. It's an empty slot, even more so than me.

Well in hindsight yeah, but if you rolled scum you're going to play your towny butt off out of the gate if you know mastina/nsg are town in the game. Which jjh did. How would a scum jjh know that mastina was going to be largely absent?

Mastina isn’t a stump here.

[Mia and Maya Fey]

I think there's clearly a split in the game with jjh mastina on one side and Fey nm on the other. If both groups are town then the game gets tricky.

I'm unsure I follow that logic.

Moonlogic isn't for everyone.

Elaborate more on this split. I can handle moonlogic.

[Gamma Emerald]

Reading it again 1820 is a dumpster fire of dissonance and assumptions

[Mia and Maya Fey]

I think there's clearly a split in the game with jjh mastina on one side and Fey nm on the other. If both groups are town then the game gets tricky.

this is very interesting, talk about this more

like, if you're right about that, it may change both how I view you and whatever slots are attached to that gamestate read

I think there's clearly a split in the game with jjh mastina on one side and Fey nm on the other. If both groups are town then the game gets tricky.

okay, so I've seen a post like this in a kinda-recent game, and before I can make a fair comparison I need your judgement on where you think scum is in this dichotomy. I don't need exact names, just how much in each side.

Essentially, out of jjh+mastina and Feys+NM, I want to know how many scum you think are in each atm.

this is a garbage post

Why? The activity thing I get but it’s Moon’s post you should be sus of in this case, no?

[Mia and Maya Fey]

I checked the activity overview and it seems like the Feys' activity has fallen off a little. Not sure what to make of that yet.

If you want to go down that road, I'll fabricate a case against you out of thin air and throw the great wallpost of China at you.

You know I can do it. You've seen it happen.

this is overkill

But he’s making the game fun and after the nsg/Norwee thing, fun is good.

[Mia and Maya Fey]

I checked the activity overview and it seems like the Feys' activity has fallen off a little. Not sure what to make of that yet.

I noticed that as well.
Was thinking of voting there earlier for that reason.

I checked the activity overview and it seems like the Feys' activity has fallen off a little. Not sure what to make of that yet.

1 scum between this garbage

It’s definitely a shit take regardless.

[Mia and Maya Fey]

If nom is scum then it's likely NK15 is scum because his segway into my wagon seemed to heat up around that time, right?

Nsg that's where you ignore the other person. We all know you're great, can you please redirect onto if my wagon was a counter and what nom scum means for NK?

VOTE: Moongrass
Maybe I was just right on my first read.
I believe you're just throwing stuff on a wall and seeing what sticks considering this is a completely illogical thing to think.
I think you might be the type of scum who is honest to a fault.

VOTE: nomnomnom

I actually don’t know who to vote for now, probably better on who I don’t.

[Mia and Maya Fey]

Okay Cyrus is 100% town.
There is absolutely no way scum!cyrus makes this kind of confrontational post from the get go.
scum!cyrus from my experience is also someone who is entirely focused on themselves in a game and will largely talk about why a player is voting them etc, for that reason, this kind of post is massive +town for cyrus

Cyrus what's the best point you have on JJH being scum?

why all the vote hoping?

Fairly sure about this.

I'll defend this tooth and nail considering cyrus is hard mislimbait material

Then let's say 90% town, yes?

These series of posts tend express a townie mindset, more often than not. Do you not agree with this? @Moon

What happened to this?

You wanting to vote us for activity put a dent in that. Not that I’ve done a 180 but that didn’t help. Also the Tea vote seemed to come out of nowhere. I haven’t liked yours, moon’s or gamma’s recent posts, jjh has actually gone up but I’m still paranoid. Everything else is the same.

[Mia and Maya Fey]

VOTE: FMFT

Not mafia
Nom
House
Gamma
Cyrus
Feys
Titus
NK15
FMFT
Jjh
Mastina

Firstly, how'd nom jump to the top this time? This is the second time one of your prior suspects has moved to the very top. I also noticed this post:

Cyrus what's the best point you have on JJH being scum?

around the time of your previous readlist. I don't feel like this makes sense with the fact you had jjh and cyrus as confident townreads at that time? The logical explanations for this post existing are questioning cyrus or considering voting jjh, neither of which matches with the stated reads at that time.

I disagree with the second part, but this is a towny post.

Who do you think is scum?

One thing I’ll say for Gamma is a lack of an agenda but the activity definitely pings me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

for the record, i don't really tend to do that intentionally, it just could be said to still be playing effectively.

Assuming Nom is scum and you didn’t just open the floodgates for all mafia to pile on a Nom wagon.

[Gamma Emerald]

do you mean my activity or my poking yours
if the former then you've got a LOT of explaining to do/

[Mia and Maya Fey]

Okay Cyrus is 100% town.
There is absolutely no way scum!cyrus makes this kind of confrontational post from the get go.
scum!cyrus from my experience is also someone who is entirely focused on themselves in a game and will largely talk about why a player is voting them etc, for that reason, this kind of post is massive +town for cyrus

Cyrus what's the best point you have on JJH being scum?

why all the vote hoping?

Fairly sure about this.

I'll defend this tooth and nail considering cyrus is hard mislimbait material

Then let's say 90% town, yes?

These series of posts tend express a townie mindset, more often than not. Do you not agree with this? @Moon

What happened to this?

Yeah good point...
VOTE: Mia and Maya Fey

VOTE: NK15

Cool, I was really struggling with this.

[northsidegal]

for the record, i don't really tend to do that intentionally, it just could be said to still be playing effectively.

Assuming Nom is scum and you didn’t just open the floodgates for all mafia to pile on a Nom wagon.

the point that i was making in the general sense, not specifically as regards this game or as regards nom.

also, what you're saying would be applicable to any scumread that i made with any degree of explanation behind it. i don't understand what point you're really trying to make, so it seems more that you're just trying to take jabs at me.

[Mia and Maya Fey]

Mia+Maya how in sync are you two atm?

Pretty much I think, why?

[NorwegianboyEE]

or i would just never so confidently declare that i'm playing my town game. furthermore, there have been games where i've made almost exactly the same comment as town: that i am unambiguously playing my towngame and that other people in the playerlist who know me should recognize this and would never vote for me.

Then i think your scumgame is just really low. As i’ve identified slots that are strong townplayers and confidently sure they would correctly townread me and done what i can to pocket them by saying: "this is obviously my towngame" when i am scum, and it’s worked like an charm. What makes JJ and i uncapable of something you cannot?

almost nothing in mafia is about whether or not something is capable of something, it's about the probabilities. the

probability

that

any

town player with somewhat distinct towngames and scumgames would make a comment like that is—in my estimation—low, for the reasons that i said there. thus, i consider it town-indicative. you aren't the same kind of player as jjh is or as i am, so i wouldn't apply the same analysis to you that i would to him. just the same way i said that moon shouldn't apply the same analysis she would to scum!RC to jjh.

And this is exactly why scum would do so. Every good scumgame i've had i always try to do what i know people will think: "scum!Norwee would never do this".
I guess it makes sense for you to claim players are different, but in that case. Are you saying JJH has had the exact same playstyle in all his games up to now and never changed his strategies as scum?

Yeah nsg, that really isn’t a great argument. I am having more doubts but uh. I mean in uPick he was off the charts bleeding obvtown, so I would locktown him here if I saw that.

In a game just recently an quite good town player literally said i can’t be scum because i called another player that pushed me arrogant, and i: "only do that as town." And yeah, i was scum.
Did it intentionally too.

[NorwegianboyEE]

"I will never be eliminated because NSG is in this game!" Is practically an example of the sort of WIFOMY statement scum!JJ makes if he knows he can’t obvtown as well as usual so he finds an overly dramatic and confident way of declaring himself town to pocket NSG and hopefully stay alive regardless of his play.

[Gamma Emerald]

Mia+Maya how in sync are you two atm?

Pretty much I think, why?

I'm a bit cheesed off by koba's drunken outburst (especially calling my post asking for details about moon's theory garbage, that felt really uncalled-for) so I'm wondering what amount of that is divergent from what koba had discussed with you prior

[northsidegal]

"I will never be eliminated because NSG is in this game!" Is practically an example of the sort of WIFOMY statement scum!JJ makes if he knows he can’t obvtown as well as usual so he finds an overly dramatic and confident way of declaring himself town to pocket NSG and hopefully stay alive regardless of his play.

do you have some information regarding JJH specifically as a player to make the claim that that is the sort of statement that scum!JJH makes, or are you making this statement based on what you yourself would do and assuming that JJH would do the same thing?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Guys, nom is scum.

Why?

Imagine getting an answer to this.