Open 815: Forest Fire Redux [Endgame]

[humaneatingmonkey]

Tell me why I'm scum again, Prism

[Prism]

I'm on my phone but everyone but you, Ydrasse, and T3 have towntold in my eyes. Johnny had one okay wall but was very focused early on just tonally touching base with people, and I didn't like him going after Fidget.

I am not even remotely impressed by the reactions on readthrough, esp. wrt Infinity whose read on me was suspicious only for being potentially ingratiating, not that it didn't make sense, and nor am I impressed with the appeals and promises.

I believe you are acutely aware of the lack of direct evidence against your slot, whose ISO is incredibly thin, via previous discussions.

Ydrasse/T3 are my runner-up votes and I will likely tunnel Ydrasse to hell if you flip scum. I have detailed why Lukewarm and Infinity are locktown previously, along with why I townlean Fidget and Hectic. Child I am more ambivalent on. I am sure you will encounter those if you finish your catch-up.

[Prism]

I would again suggest finishing reading. You are more likely to understand my perspective by doing so, or at least have something now that you can verify for yourself. Hypothetically, as scum I am saying things knowing you are here to take them into account, and adjusting accordingly. This is not true of things before your replace-in.

Perhaps you will find the real scum in your read, whether that is Infinity or myself, and be able to present a stronger case for it rather than simply throwing the same self-serving AtE you do in your scumgames hoping that I was born yesterday. If I am scum, you will be able to mount a stronger case against me rather than relying on reading into my pushing your empty AtE.

[Prism]

Perhaps a more direct challenge is in order.

I think you're all bark no bite. I think you will finish your reread never. I expect you to never mount a solid, well-founded push on someone.

If I'm wrong, shut up and bite. Finish your read. Find the scum.

[Lukewarm]

That's fine if you really think that I'm scum, and not just someone you want to elim because it's easier.

I was against voting Johnny for this very reason btw, but your entrance moved me to actually wanting to vote you

[humaneatingmonkey]

Infinity, your turn. Why am I scum?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm in my laptop now. I'll finish my re-read.

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: Johnny

This is E-1.

I feel comfortable voting here without sorting Hectic, though a part of me is regretful that Johnny is on V/LA.

Prism puts Johnny at E-1 while he's V/LA and it's barely deadline? What value might she have to do this as town?

[Infinity 324]

Your townflip means people are going to have to re-evaluate a lot of our townreads, which is going to be important for moving the game forward

If you're town, you have 8 townreads in a 9 player game. I think it's safe to say that you need to re-evaluate your townreads ASAP.

Sure, but that's pretty difficult because people aren't posting because everyone is just ok with your elim.

If you're town, you getting limmed gets rid of a scummy slot and helps us PoE the game.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Wouldn't be opposed to hammering the slot once Johnny gets a defense in if said defense isn't satisfactory, but if anybody hammers before he gets to post again I'd be very suspicious of that player.

I mean I'll solve the game as a stump if need be, not sure there's really anything to "defend" here so much as everyone's townreading eachother. I've got a funeral tomorrow so I won't have anything

super

productive to say until Mondayish

THIS. Why are people trying to lim this slot so bad

[humaneatingmonkey]

everyone is just ok with your elim.

Infinity, there's your clue.

[humaneatingmonkey]

But then again you might just be trying to lim me using that exact reason because you're scum here

it's okay. it's not like i'm going anywhere. I'll haunt you.

[Infinity 324]

Infinity, your turn. Why am I scum?

Like prism, I've detailed my reasons for TRing a lot of other slots. You didn't go deeper into your reasons for scumreading my agreement with prism's TR on luke, which is likely because you don't think your reasons are very strong and don't want to get into an extended engagement about that. Luke's point about your slip was a pretty good one, and I feel that at least your strong desire to not being limmed is fake. I find it unlikely that town would have an attachment to maximizing the winrate of a game they just replaced into.

[Infinity 324]

everyone is just ok with your elim.

Infinity, there's your clue.

What is your one scumpartner going to do to stop your elim

[humaneatingmonkey]

What is your one scumpartner going to do to stop your elim

my scumpartner would be you, because on page 15, while Johnny is in deep shit, you attempt to make a confusing counterwagon against Prism

[Infinity 324]

If only there was a way to verify that theory

*checks role PM*

Hmm, seems unlikely to me.

[humaneatingmonkey]

you get my point, Infinity. my slot was basically defenseless but it's not inherently scummy so there's a lot of opportunity to pull away from it if i had a scumpartner. IF I HAD a scumpartner.

I feel that at least your strong desire to not being limmed is fake

so my desire to not being limmed is fake? does that mean i want to be limmed?

[humaneatingmonkey]

you have 8 townreads. if it's not me, who is it?

[Infinity 324]

There's way too many inactive slots and too many people who joined the counterwagon on prism for that to be a point that makes sense. Or your scumpartner is bussing for no reason. "Too many people are ok with this elim" is a weak argument when there are 3 scum, it's pretty much nonsense with only 2.

I meant scum-motivated not fake and you skipped an important word from my post

[Infinity 324]

you have 8 townreads. if it's not me, who is it?

7*

T3, child, or hectic probably

[humaneatingmonkey]

i play to win. surviving this lim will probably be the most effort i'll give this game because after i'm an IC, i'm gonna be bored as hell

[Infinity 324]

The job of town is to find scum not just survive

[humaneatingmonkey]

i'm doing it right now. currently in page 20.

[humaneatingmonkey]

what was that about voting prism, thinking they're scum, and then being super apologetic like you're being scolded like a child?

[humaneatingmonkey]

skimming fidget i feel like she's taking stances when it's suitable and sort of pushing and prodding around at everything else which, early on there are only so many things to really *believe* in but it comes across as opportunistic and i don't really get a sense of what she's thinking, even if she's explaining things in thread. it's hollow words to me right now.

Amen