Mini Normal 2213 - Village (End Game)

[Save The Dragons]

{max, italiano} or {max, andres} but i can't figure out which

[ItalianoVD]

it ain't me bro

i wanted gamma first because i trusted my read. i'm not sure what to think now that we've wasted time on a kyouko lim. i'm getting paranoid about who the scum could be at this point.

Could you respond to the stuff said about you?

[MaxTheFox]

i think gamma is town at this point

This is either scum trying to save his partner or another wrong townie.

[Save The Dragons]

what do you want in particular

[Andresvmb]

@Gamma your input here would be appreciated.

[MaxTheFox]

For whoever is town to vote Gamma so we don't hand scum the win on a silver platter. Since around day 2 he was pretty scummy, especially on a re-read.

[ItalianoVD]

I think that was for me. I’m talking about this...

I think STD has attached themselves to you more than the other way around (particularly since you TR there early), and I think that was an intentional Scum tactic. But maybe your insight into how you see that would help.

We kinda mindmelded on Free Money because I genuinely thought he (fm) was kinda a loose cannon and I thought his play around Dunnstral was better then Gamma. Do you think him following you onto kyouko was scumminded?

I think STD has attached themselves to you more than the other way around (particularly since you TR there early), and I think that was an intentional Scum tactic. But maybe your insight into how you see that would help.

We kinda mindmelded on Free Money because I genuinely thought he (fm) was kinda a loose cannon and I thought his play around Dunnstral was better then Gamma. Do you think him following you onto kyouko was scumminded?

I actually have a different theory about it.

STD was clearly resisting (though not as openly) voting between Kyouko and Me. They clearly wanted Gamma first. The reason for that is because then a victory is guaranteed from a Scum!STD perspective - Gamma flips Town say, and then all you have to do is NK Johnny and wait for one of Kyouko or Me to put a vote down for the other and the Town loses. And you know it’ll happen because they had a “guilty” on me.

[ItalianoVD]

I’m responding to 1503

[Andresvmb]

{max, italiano} or {max, andres} but i can't figure out which

You need to make a firmer stance on whether you actually think I would put this much effort into a game that I could have pushed to a victory by railroading Gamma here if you really TR there.

[ItalianoVD]

Okay unless someone is bad mannered there’s a confirmed Scum in Gamma/Fox. I know where my vote is going. I want some clarity as to what STD and Italiano want to do, and you need to do it now.

Wait what? You’re confusing me bro.

[Andresvmb]

I could have coaxed a vote out of you or Italiano onto Gamma with NO PROBLEM whatsoever instead of bothering with this crap. As if I would want this to last much longer as Scum.

[Andresvmb]

Wait what? You’re confusing me bro.

Gamma / Fox are cross-voting and everyone has checked in. So now is the time for us to begin debating Partners because clearly that pairing has 1 Scum. That’s what I’m saying.

[Save The Dragons]

FMFT didn't get that information about gamma out of nowhere ugh it could be gamma

i'm not sure what you want me to answer about that first quote

i admit i was resisting a kyouko elimination strictly in favor of a gamma one. the reasoning was because i thought gamma and kyouko were scum together so it wouldn't matter the order we did them in. with kyouko not being scum and the game not being solved, it's a little trickier.

[Andresvmb]

The thing is, Gamma clearly doesn’t make sense as Scum this game. Who is the Partner? I have been pushing and voting there practically since D1. Italiano and STD clearly wanted the slot dead the day prior, and had no qualms voting back to back to eliminate the slot and haven’t defended there. And Max is cross-voting in ELo. Gamma is Town.

[Save The Dragons]

I could have coaxed a vote out of you or Italiano onto Gamma with NO PROBLEM whatsoever instead of bothering with this crap. As if I would want this to last much longer as Scum.

i don't know that this is true anymore

[ItalianoVD]

{max, italiano} or {max, andres} but i can't figure out which

Well it isn’t me and I don’t think it’s Andres. He has to be playing some next level type of stuff if he is.

[Andresvmb]

And if you’re going to argue that Gamma has had Partners consistently distance there, that seems somewhat unbelievable since clearly UC Voyager / FMFT fit that profile much better. Yes the Scum could have all distanced from each other but based on how this game has gone, I highly doubt it.

[MaxTheFox]

I don't see Gamma having anyone except Dragons as partner. I just... don't.

[Andresvmb]

I could have coaxed a vote out of you or Italiano onto Gamma with NO PROBLEM whatsoever instead of bothering with this crap. As if I would want this to last much longer as Scum.

i don't know that this is true anymore

Yeah of course it’s not true anymore. But at the beginning of this day? Absolutely.

[ItalianoVD]

Wait what? You’re confusing me bro.

Gamma / Fox are cross-voting and everyone has checked in. So now is the time for us to begin debating Partners because clearly that pairing has 1 Scum. That’s what I’m saying.

But I’m saying coming from you that shouldn’t be a pairing. It’s saying if Fox is not scum then Gamma is, that’s why it’s confusing.

[ItalianoVD]

Or am I just understanding it wrong?

[Andresvmb]

Italiano you’re not understanding - I’m not saying they’re Scum together, though theoretically that’s not impossible. I’m just saying those two have 1 Scum, the other is Town.

[Andresvmb]

Now confirmed. The game would be over otherwise.

[ItalianoVD]

Okay I got it now, I had to read it couple of times. Don’t mind me.

[samantha97]

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