Open 815: Forest Fire Redux [Endgame]

[skitter30]

This says nothing about the quality of their reads/strength as a player but given the scarcity of their posting, even under pressure and as an unclear, and that the bulk of their content has come almost entirely in the form of defense

I really, really don't want to have them as an IC.

i think this thought process (which prism seems to really care about) is very +town

[skitter30]

meh VOTE: hectic

[Infinity 324]

Skitt do you have a read on me?

[Hectic]

Not very surprised

[skitter30]

Skitt do you have a read on me?

very loosely + town but i haven't iso'd you yet, it's more just like based on what i'm seeing you write pop up in other people's isos

Not very surprised

i mean why am i wrong

[Hectic]

My reads aren't political, they're genuine, not sure how to tell you you're wrong

On "making up reads", I actively try and force myself to have scumreads as town and don't settle only having town and nullreads. That involves searching for motivation and digging deeper into everyone's ISOs, it has mixed results. I was kinda in that town and null only reads place for a while but then found stuff Fairy Child could be doing as scum, and the responses could have a scum-motivation. Prefer monkey over it them now anyway though

[Hectic]

You have a fantastic knack for scumreading me though, I'll give you that

Though I do count a game where you were scum

[skitter30]

your reads just kinda don't change thoughout the whole game, other than prism, which seems to change based on how she's reading you

fairy + t3 + johnny are the easy/convenient scumreads for scum-you to have, so i'm a little suspect that those are your only scumreads rn, and those are the people you want to push

i also dislike how you're kinda pinging back and forth between monkey and fairy and how a couple of pages back you were trying to get monkey to vote fairy with you

pedit i don't know what you're talking abt >.>

[Hectic]

ok so i think that hectic's reads are somewhat political:
if he's scum, there's a few different people in this game that he pretty much has to townread (ydrasse and infinity, maybe lukewarm but i don't have enough context on him so not sure)

i don't think that he wanted to scumread prism but upon prism scumreading him, he felt he needed to push back and scumread prism in turn. i think that prism seemed to have backed off a bit right before hectic townread her / dropped the scumread - i think he didn't actually want to push her and if she wasn't going to actively push him he felt safe sticking her back in a townbin and dropping the fight (which is indeed what seemed to have killed the momentum of the 1v1).

he's had a consistent pool of johnny-slot, t3, and fairy who i feel like he's trying to find reasons to push

i don't like his progressions here really

Regarding the Prism thing, are you accounting for the fact I was V/LA and gone for almost a week? I was scumleaning her before that, then after catching up on events, I found her towny. Additionally, Prism wad actually voting me again by the time I returned. What's political about that?

I think I'd be pressured to read Ydrasse correctly as scum, but don't feel that way about Infinity. Don't see how I'm "forced" to townread all of Ydrasse/Infinity/Lukewarm as scum

[skitter30]

UNVOTE:

I intend to revote in an IRL day or two. It sounds like he has something more meaningful to think about right now.

Reading over your posts in the last few pages, I keep reading them while thinking you're town if that makes sense, I'm not sure if that's because I'm assuming you're probably town subconsciously and I'm wrong, or your recent posts are towny, but something something, I have no idea what I'm saying

I find Prism's recent content a lot townier essentially but I dunno if I should abandon previous reasons to scumread her

did this happen right upon coming back?

[Hectic]

your reads just kinda don't change thoughout the whole game, other than prism, which seems to change based on how she's reading you

fairy + t3 + johnny are the easy/convenient scumreads for scum-you to have, so i'm a little suspect that those are your only scumreads rn, and those are the people you want to push

i also dislike how you're kinda pinging back and forth between monkey and fairy and how a couple of pages back you were trying to get monkey to vote fairy with you

pedit i don't know what you're talking abt >.>

Except I have reasons to townread everyone else which I've detailed throughout the game, feel free to read those reasons and pick at them if you think a townread is too easy or fake. I recognise Johnny/Fairy were definitely the easy PoE reads but I'm not exclusive in this view - your slot, Prism, and others I think had the same view of those being bottom 2 for a large period of time, that's just what the gamestate was at

[Prism]

IIRC the reads were mixed, I more strongly remember it not being the right play to back off rather than the specific count. This assumption about spotting the correct play has bitten me before.

I'm out driving around right now so I can't really double check for you. I think my not being the dominant voice in the room is benefiting us greatly, so I'll happily stay out for a bit longer and revisit Hectic later in the night.

[skitter30]

hmmm it does maybe look like it lined up with ur vla
idk
i dn't like the overall progression really

[Hectic]

Prism unvoted Johnny there, skitter

[Hectic]

i also dislike how you're kinda pinging back and forth between monkey and fairy and how a couple of pages back you were trying to get monkey to vote fairy with you

What exactly do you find scummy about this?

[skitter30]

i also dislike how you're kinda pinging back and forth between monkey and fairy and how a couple of pages back you were trying to get monkey to vote fairy with you

i'm kinda interested in this
pedit feels a little like your trying to grab whatever votes you can to push a flip through, but it's odd to me that you'd reach out to someone who you're also actively scumreading
given that the wagons there were fairy/monkey tied (at 2 votes on a <24 hours deadline) it almost looks like you/monkey are partners and trying to get fairy over monkey
like idk why'd you ask monkey for a fairy vote and not the other way around
why are you asking for votes from your scumreads altogether


pedit oh sorry >.> pardon me while i catch up out of order
ok that makes it a little better

[skitter30]

This assumption about spotting the correct play has bitten me before.

ngl i was thinking this >.>

[skitter30]

i think he didn't actually want to push her and if she wasn't going to actively push him he felt safe sticking her back in a townbin

ok i retract this bit
but i stil lthink the initial scumread was omgus-based

[Hectic]

I was mixed on monkey but still scumread Fairy at that point, skitter. I was asking monkey to vote who I believed was scum

Upon reevaluating I like what Prism said about Fairy and find monkey scummier for locktowning Prism/Infinity and wanting to completely sheep them

Why do I need to just force a push through as scum here if both wagons are town? There's no stakes here for me

If I'm scum with monkey, this play I've made where I've switched back to him when Fairy's on 2 or 3? votes including myself and monkey's on 1 would be counterproductive to pushing Fairy in the first place, wouldn't it?

[Hectic]

Honestly I thought me reevaluating and juggling between Fairy Child/monkey was the towniest I've been this game, so I'm dubious at how you're linking a scum motivation to that

[skitter30]

find monkey scummier for locktowning Prism/Infinity and wanting to completely sheep them

i just saw town-infinity do this like two weeks ago, so it's definitely a behavior that comes from town sometimes

[Hectic]

Town can definitely do it yeah, it's the surrounding circumstances of reasons to do it that I find to be fishy

[Hectic]

I'm out, will be back later

[skitter30]

Why do I need to just force a push through as scum here if both wagons are town? There's no stakes here for me

i don't know
but the fact that you keep juggling back and forth kinda makes me think that you don't particularly care which ones gets flipped

and still asking a scumread to help flip another scumread is bizarre to me
i also kind think child of faiies is townie and that you're looking for reasons to scumread her

On "making up reads", I actively try and force myself to have scumreads as town and don't settle only having town and nullreads. That involves searching for motivation and digging deeper into everyone's ISOs, it has mixed results. I was kinda in that town and null only reads place for a while but then found stuff Fairy Child could be doing as scum, and the responses could have a scum-motivation.

also given that you're apparently doing this i still don't fully get why you're cycling between reads anyways? lik why was she your preferred flip given that you were looking for scumreads and found her?
idk this feels weird

pedit ok talk to u soon!

[Infinity 324]

but the fact that you keep juggling back and forth kinda makes me think that you don't particularly care which ones gets flipped

and still asking a scumread to help flip another scumread is bizarre to me

Skitt, sorry, this reasoning feels bad

Of course he doesn't care which one gets flipped he SRs them both and doesn't have a strong preference

Asking a scumread to flip another scumread could definitely be town-motivated because you can see if they bus or you might just be wrong on one of the reads

Hectic could be scum but this reasoning is pretty weaksauce