Open 815: Forest Fire Redux [Endgame]

[skitter30]

that's fine
i still don't like it

[Infinity 324]

VOTE: skitter

[skitter30]

i don't really mind here cuz i'm just gonna get stumped and i can still drone on abt my theories

don't really know why you find that scummy tho

[skitter30]

Of course he doesn't care which one gets flipped he SRs them both and doesn't have a strong preference

Asking a scumread to flip another scumread could definitely be town-motivated because you can see if they bus or you might just be wrong on one of the reads

he's been scumreading the same three people all game
and i don't think he thinks they're teamed so like the second line is a bit strange to me

and i do think that asking a scumread to vote another scumread is bizarre
i also think that town-him would care mor which one gets flipped
and i also don't think town-him scumreads child of fairy in the first place

[Prism]

I have several thoughts on that last page that I will save for later.

[Lukewarm]

but the fact that you keep juggling back and forth kinda makes me think that you don't particularly care which ones gets flipped

and still asking a scumread to help flip another scumread is bizarre to me

Skitt, sorry, this reasoning feels bad

Of course he doesn't care which one gets flipped he SRs them both and doesn't have a strong preference

Asking a scumread to flip another scumread could definitely be town-motivated because you can see if they bus or you might just be wrong on one of the reads

Hectic could be scum but this reasoning is pretty weaksauce

I thought the same thing here. Like we were close to a dead line, we needed to push someone over the finish line, why would he not reach out to the people he thought would help get us there?

If hectic is scum, and child + monkey are town, then why change directions at all here?

If hectic is scum, and monkey is his partner, why ask monkey to vote for child in the main thread, instead of mentioning it in the scum pt? Like if that was an attempt to save the monkey, then I feel like you would just vote child, and let the monkey move on their own. The monkey has a great reason on his own to switch to child, as it was the most viable counter wagon to himself, and did not really need a push from hectic?

[Lukewarm]

i don't really mind here cuz i'm just gonna get stumped and i can still drone on abt my theories

don't really know why you find that scummy tho

This also seems premature. Skitter has exactly one vote here at this point.

[Lukewarm]

VOTE: skitter

[skitter30]

there's like a day to deadline, i'm saying that this isn't the worst possible outcome

i don't pick a fight iwth hectic here as scum and i think he's scummy

also hectic doesn't stick with child because it's not a popular wagon and it seems liek there's much more appetite for monkey?

[Lukewarm]

@infinity, what are your thoughts about hectic?

[skitter30]

like why would he stick with child as scum given that at least from what i've seen monkey is a lot more popular and the deadline is winding down
i think town-him actually has stronger feelings on one or the other than just 'eh whichever one i can get'

[Infinity 324]

@infinity, what are your thoughts about hectic?

Meh he's in my PoE

[Lukewarm]

@infinity, what are your thoughts about hectic?

Meh he's in my PoE

I am adding add skitter to my list of people I am both suspicious of and think would make a good stump if they turn out to be town.

So I am at {skitter, prism, hectic} for the day

But I think that for now, I'll vote with you. You are my strongest TR at the moment, and no one wants to follow me and vote prism

[Infinity 324]

I'm uneasy about you sheeping me since I have so little confidence but ok

[Prism]

I think this back and forth is TvT and I am all the more determined to force through HEM.

Skitter is right that she doesn't go after Hectic here. High chance he tunnels her after flip and town is likely to listen to IC Hectic

Hectic's reaction is very inline with what I saw when I pushed him in Chara's Folly and I don't share the same concern about the compromise voting that Skitter does. Not only do I agree with his comment that him backing off of Child was town, but I think the last page was the most town he has been all game.

[Prism]

I made some last minute tennis plans so I am unlikely to really be around later. I strongly, strongly want HEM even though I think any of Ydrasse/T3/Child could potentially flip scum.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I have no problem being the IC, if only that clears my slot from the PoE. I also don't think we should elim anyone if the only goal is to make them into an IC, especially if there's reason to think they're town. For example Prism is wrong about me now, so there's a lot of opportunities for her to be wrong in the future. Being confirmed doesn't mean you would suddenly have awesome reads that we can sheep.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm really sleepy so all I could do is skim. I'll be back tomorrow.

[humaneatingmonkey]

To answer you Prism: I've always townread you from the get-go on my catch-up. But from the game that's happening live near the deadline, I was suspicious of how aggressive you were on my slot because there were no real alternatives and I was only scum for you because I'm inactive. Like I said, I was playing 2 games on my entrance.

[Prism]

Right, my reads are horrendous if you are town, and I was never a good choice to sheep.

That answers when you townread me but not really why. It also leaves a gap where my townread tanked when I started pushing Hectic.

[Lukewarm]

I'm uneasy about you sheeping me since I have so little confidence but ok

Would you rather follow me on a prism vote?

Because we need to flip someone, and if you are not voting with me, I feel like I should vote with you

[humaneatingmonkey]

Right, my reads are horrendous if you are town, and I was never a good choice to sheep.

It's better to trust someone you think is town for sure and have a conversation with them, but people are acting like it's a good trade-off to giving up an miselim when you can just lim slots that you actually think is town

[humaneatingmonkey]

think is town

think is scum

[Infinity 324]

Would you rather follow me on a prism vote?

No lol

[Prism]

I'm uneasy about you sheeping me since I have so little confidence but ok

Would you rather follow me on a prism vote?

Because we need to flip someone, and if you are not voting with me, I feel like I should vote with you

I have actively stood in the way of multiple wagons, instead opting to try and force through my vote which will immediately tank my stock/credibility if wrong. I do not think this is conducive to fulfilling the scum win condition.