Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

[Dunnstral]

I’ve liked ircher more since he voted me. I don’t oppose murderwagon. If ndmathlives the day phase we shouldn’t kill there tonight. I don’t think there’s time in the phase to do anything else.

So where should I shoot if we get Murdercat?

[Bingle]

I think it’s likely scum has some method of mitigating hp damage because that’s the most obvious route to breaking via massclaim, so I wouldn’t lay those cards on the table. With that said, there are only a few people I’d think of as truly bad shots here. LLD, me, bell, sigmund math is pretty much the list of attacking this is an outright scum claim tonight.

[Dwlee99]

Did we decide earlier in the game whether we should claim when attacked?

[Dunnstral]

Did we decide earlier in the game whether we should claim when attacked?

No, but I'd expect more people to have claimed attacked anyways

It kinds of feels like there's a low amount of shots going around, lower than expected

[Bingle]

I think most people are more sure about townreads than scum reads and scum are worried about being outed by shooting someone towny and potentially grouped to make a kill more certain.

[Titus]

I think the mod isn't notifying or people are not claiming unless necessary.

P.S. I am shooting Math if they live. They are not town. Hate me all you want.

[Bingle]

I think if math is scum the noise about shooting math means it’s inarguably better to eliminate there instead of attacking. If math doesn’t die today it’s because we want an additional result, and denying that information by resolving the slot over night is inherently anti town.

Also I’m pretty sure you have other fish you want fried, Titus.

[Artemiana]

VOTE: Something_smart

[Artemiana]

I think the mod isn't notifying or people are not claiming unless necessary.

P.S. I am shooting Math if they live. They are not town. Hate me all you want.

Notifying when their stats are messed with?

That sounds ridiculous and known to be very likely not true given ffery/cabd knew I toodk SP from them

[Artemiana]

I'm also inching back to sr Titus. The signals that I think I'm getting doesnt make sense with whats going on in the thread

[Thestatusquo]

NDMath's claim doesn't make much sense to me for mostly the reasons bingle just outlined and less the reasons of "I don't have SP" which seems like a really weird thing to fake.

It's more how the "not having SP" interacts with the rest of claim that is giving me "one of these things is not like the others" vibes.

VOTE: NDMath

[Thestatusquo]

Also having the watcher specifically undated by the universal gating mechanism just seems wrong to me.

This is the post my last post is referring to.

[Farkran]

I skimmed the last 4 pages, i have one question: votes on ndmath are because you believe he's a scum watcher?

[Flea The Magician]

I've skimmed less, hi whats happening?

[Dwlee99]

I skimmed the last 4 pages, i have one question: votes on ndmath are because you believe he's a scum watcher?

I think not having SP doesn't make sense given what we know: Bingle confirmed SP w/o having SP abilities which would mean to me everyone has SP given that the mod said everyone starts with 2 SP.

Besides that, scum watcher is certainly possible + could decide to target LLD for info. I'd like to hear math's reasoning for targeting LLD as well.

[Farkran]

Is there a reason why lying to have no sp would benefit scum?

[MURDERCAT]

If we can do math cool, otherwise I am here to self vote

[Dwlee99]

They could have SP abilities that are clearly scum-aligned, and incorrectly thought that claiming no SP abilities would mean having no SP.

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: NDmath

[Titus]

I think if math is scum the noise about shooting math means it’s inarguably better to eliminate there instead of attacking. If math doesn’t die today it’s because we want an additional result, and denying that information by resolving the slot over night is inherently anti town.

Also I’m pretty sure you have other fish you want fried, Titus.

I don't have a scumread as confident as NDMath. It's less optimal to shoot someone who might be limmed anyway, but it's better than shooting town. It's a suboptimal play I would be willing to take.

If Math doesn't die today, it's likely because scum protected them.

[Titus]

VOTE: Something_smart

I'm also inching back to sr Titus. The signals that I think I'm getting doesnt make sense with whats going on in the thread

Why are you trying to start up a new deadline swap?

Also, why are you throwing last minute shade onto me? You already faked a guilty on me which tanked my credibility, otherwise we would have limmed scum by now.

Why did you fake a guilty and why on me?

[Farkran]

Out of 6 scum nobody knew or at least thought that no sp abilities does not equal no sp? When it is explicitly written in the mod rules?

I find it more likely that ndmath was told he *currently* has no sp (because he spent them or they were drained) but is able to generate more, and this exhange has been misinterpreted by either or both parts

I have my own issues with ndmath, but i don't understand the pushes based on the potential lie about sp mechanics. It seems a pointless lie to come up with as scum.

+ I'd like to hear from murdercat an up to date analysis on his own wagon, who's scum and why

[Dwlee99]

Out of 6 scum nobody knew or at least thought that no sp abilities does not equal no sp? When it is explicitly written in the mod rules?

I find it more likely that ndmath was told he *currently* has no sp (because he spent them or they were drained) but is able to generate more, and this exhange has been misinterpreted by either or both parts

I have my own issues with ndmath, but i don't understand the pushes based on the potential lie about sp mechanics. It seems a pointless lie to come up with as scum.

+ I'd like to hear from murdercat an up to date analysis on his own wagon, who's scum and why

I don't know how drain mechanics work or how much stuff could be drained, but if he spent them he is also a liar and should be thrown out a window.

[Titus]

Out of 6 scum nobody knew or at least thought that no sp abilities does not equal no sp? When it is explicitly written in the mod rules?

I find it more likely that ndmath was told he *currently* has no sp (because he spent them or they were drained) but is able to generate more, and this exhange has been misinterpreted by either or both parts

I have my own issues with ndmath, but i don't understand the pushes based on the potential lie about sp mechanics. It seems a pointless lie to come up with as scum.

+ I'd like to hear from murdercat an up to date analysis on his own wagon, who's scum and why

That explaination for NDMath is unlikely. NDMath claimed they had no SP ever. If NDMath did have SP, spent it, and failed to regenerate it, they could have confirmed my claim as written in the rules. Furthermore, they claimed no abilities with SP so they could never have spent SP in the first place unless they were lying scum.

[MURDERCAT]

I'd like to hear from murdercat an up to date analysis on his own wagon, who's scum and why

Sure, I'm caught up, I was trying to AtE