Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

[borkjerfkin]

Mod Event

Votecount 2.8

Adventurers

:

MURDERCAT [8]: NDMath, WhemeStar, Ircher, Bell, Lady Lambdadelta, Chara, Farkran, Sigmund
NDMath [7]: Titus, MURDERCAT, Bingle, Dwlee99, Something_Smart, Thestatusquo, Dunnstral
Something_Smart [2]: morph the cat, Artemiana
Dunnstral [1]: White Fire
notscience [1]: notscience

Not voting [1]: Flea the Magician

With 20 alive it takes 11 to eliminate. Stratum 2 ends in (expired on 2021-06-14 22:25:25).

[Dunnstral]

I'd like to hear from murdercat an up to date analysis on his own wagon, who's scum and why

Sure, I'm caught up, I was trying to AtE

[Farkran]

What's the scum motivation behind this lie and the refusal to confirm titus? It doesn't make sense to me

It would have been easier and not harmful to just tell the truth. It wouldn't have implied ndmath scum and neither titus town.

The way i see it, ndmath told the truth about sp. That doesn't make him town either but people who push him based on that reasoning are concerning

[Artemiana]

I'm saying

You moved out of my scum reads based of a signal that i thought I saw

I faked a guilty on you because no one woupd eliminate scum you without it

Like what the fuck is this push against ND. Ge is as it stands, a watcher who has his results confirmed by the people who did it.

I do agree with bingle that watcher/doc/cop/IC sounds a bit much for town power but at the at timw, from my pov anyas role directly counters it.

The fact that there are both scum and 3p makes my role less. A straightforward cop. I dont think its entirely impossible for all those roles to exist aa town and there is strong evidence to be true and you ignore that?

Pedit: @ titus

[Dunnstral]

Bingle's flavor and an ungated watcher doesn't feel right. I feel the claim has very little credibility now.

[Dunnstral]

Ic doesn't make cop/doc/watcher any more or less likely

[Titus]

There was a "guilty" on me at the time. If I could have been lying about my actions, then I could have been scum in the rest of your eyes. Second, the refusal to confirm was allegedly faked as "out of spite" then this new SP claim came up. See post 4321.

If NDMath is telling the truth, then the moderator lied when they said everyone has SP and regenerates it at the end of the stratum.

[Artemiana]

So why is this even an issue then

[Dunnstral]

Also there were 6 scum and a third party so no I disagree

What coulld be too powerful is the watcher catching a bunch of mafia shooting someone

[Artemiana]

It was never out of spite.

[Dwlee99]

If NDMath is telling the truth, then the moderator lied when they said everyone has SP and regenerates it at the end of the stratum.

This is the simplest way to put it and I think correct.

[Dunnstral]

Ic doesn't make cop/doc/watcher any more or less likely

Actually it could mean watcher is less likely based on how things would play out

[Dunnstral]

So why is this even an issue then

You faked a guilty 12 days ago while a wagon on ndmath was forming, on somebody pushing that wagon

If we go by actions instead of tone I think you and Morph both look pretty bad if ndmath is scum

[Titus]

The fact that there are both scum and 3p makes my role less. A straightforward cop. I dont think its entirely impossible for all those roles to exist aa town and there is strong evidence to be true and you ignore that?

NDMath has information that Sigmund visited LLD. I would acknowledge that much.

I'm not ignoring that at all. Their play, the fact that their claim makes no sense, and the too much power outweighs this.

Second, I am highly limmable right now due to my IRL stress levels. Faking a guilty would not be necessary. You seem to be ignoring evidence that so far my actions have been protown, particularly my push on anya.

Third, you didn't answer why vote SS with the deadline looming. I disagree with a MURDERCAT push but these seem to be the options.

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler: Anya was...

Ninja -

They hide in shadows and use the art of ninpo, the advanced practice of which can create duplicates.

--
You are

MAFIA

.
Your partners are [PLAYER], [PLAYER], and [PLAYER.], [PLAYER] and [PLAYER]. You share a PT here: {Link}

HP: 4
ATK: 2

Kunai (Innate) [Damaging] - Choose a target. That target will be hit for 2 damage. In addition, if you have a duplicate active you may choose to attack with them instead.

Diversion Gambit (Innate) (1 SP) [Active] - At stratum night, you are allowed to create a duplicate of yourself. This duplicate will be included in the playerlist, so be sure to give it a name. These may be targeted by other players. Every duplicate will have a base of 0 ATK and 1 HP. These do not count towards majority.

Ninpo: Mirage (2 SP) [Active] - Use one of your duplicates to take damage for you.

Ninpo: Swap (3 SP) [Active] - Choose one of your duplicates. You and that duplicate will switch current base stats. Diversion Gambit will not be able to activated under this effect.

I don't think this counters watcher all that much because the factional kill isn't mentioned here for being undetected.

[Farkran]

Hmm, post 4321 makes it pretty clear that it wasn't a misunderstanding, so scratch that theory

It is still beyond me how this lie would benefit scum!ndmath, but more than that i have an issue with people believing it does - if ndmath was pushed for being a scum watcher honestly it would be fine. I also scumread ndmath. But the reasons why he's being pushed are bad and it's a flag i don't like.

[Dunnstral]

Spoiler: Anya was...

Ninja -

They hide in shadows and use the art of ninpo, the advanced practice of which can create duplicates.

--
You are

MAFIA

.
Your partners are [PLAYER], [PLAYER], and [PLAYER.], [PLAYER] and [PLAYER]. You share a PT here: {Link}

HP: 4
ATK: 2

Kunai (Innate) [Damaging] - Choose a target. That target will be hit for 2 damage. In addition, if you have a duplicate active you may choose to attack with them instead.

Diversion Gambit (Innate) (1 SP) [Active] - At stratum night, you are allowed to create a duplicate of yourself. This duplicate will be included in the playerlist, so be sure to give it a name. These may be targeted by other players. Every duplicate will have a base of 0 ATK and 1 HP. These do not count towards majority.

Ninpo: Mirage (2 SP) [Active] - Use one of your duplicates to take damage for you.

Ninpo: Swap (3 SP) [Active] - Choose one of your duplicates. You and that duplicate will switch current base stats. Diversion Gambit will not be able to activated under this effect.

I don't think this counters watcher all that much because the factional kill isn't mentioned here for being undetected.

You are right but logically this should affect at least one town ability in some way

[Artemiana]

I don't see why you couldn't have been bussing anya. I barely remembered the push that i had to iso you to check your claim amd ar tbe end of the day it was LLD who strongarmed the elimination. The argument of "I'm so pro-town i shouldn't be scum-read" is banal af

[Titus]

Why do you scumread NDMath Farkran?

I also made it clear there was a "guilty" on me at the time of NDMath refusing to confirm my actions. It might have been a hand caught in the cookie jar thing.

[notscience]

Mara you have zero ground to stand on calling bad play today please do not do that tyvm

[Dunnstral]

I don't see why you couldn't have been bussing anya. I barely remembered the push that i had to iso you to check your claim amd ar tbe end of the day it was LLD who strongarmed the elimination. The argument of "I'm so pro-town i shouldn't be scum-read" is banal af

Who/what is this directed at?

[Artemiana]

I also went absolutely no where with my push on you d1 so like...

Pedir: titus

[Dwlee99]

Maybe scum wouldn't have to lie but made a mistake in doing it anyway. You reasons for doubting this are silly. Do you scumread math or not? One thing about scum watcher: I think scum watcher targets LLD and town watcher targets Sigmund.

Spoiler: Anya was...

Ninja -

They hide in shadows and use the art of ninpo, the advanced practice of which can create duplicates.

--
You are

MAFIA

.
Your partners are [PLAYER], [PLAYER], and [PLAYER.], [PLAYER] and [PLAYER]. You share a PT here: {Link}

HP: 4
ATK: 2

Kunai (Innate) [Damaging] - Choose a target. That target will be hit for 2 damage. In addition, if you have a duplicate active you may choose to attack with them instead.

Diversion Gambit (Innate) (1 SP) [Active] - At stratum night, you are allowed to create a duplicate of yourself. This duplicate will be included in the playerlist, so be sure to give it a name. These may be targeted by other players. Every duplicate will have a base of 0 ATK and 1 HP. These do not count towards majority.

Ninpo: Mirage (2 SP) [Active] - Use one of your duplicates to take damage for you.

Ninpo: Swap (3 SP) [Active] - Choose one of your duplicates. You and that duplicate will switch current base stats. Diversion Gambit will not be able to activated under this effect.

I don't think this counters watcher all that much because the factional kill isn't mentioned here for being undetected.

You are right but logically this should affect at least one town ability in some way

I can think of lots of ways this could benefit scum: think of, for instance, a role that can attack people that attack it. Then Anya's role counters that.

[Titus]

I don't see why you couldn't have been bussing anya. I barely remembered the push that i had to iso you to check your claim amd ar tbe end of the day it was LLD who strongarmed the elimination. The argument of "I'm so pro-town i shouldn't be scum-read" is banal af

The fact LLD had to strongarm the elimination is because I had no charisma in the thread.

You ISOed my claim and saw me trying to push Anya which shows I had no charisma. That undercuts your need to fake a guilty.

Your position is utterly ridiculous and I'd shoot you but people do this shit to me all the time, so I need more evidence to be sure. Particularly when you're a claimed cop.

[Ircher]

I'd be fine with shooting Arte despite the claim.