Newbie 2067 - Pizza! - End!

[Azeru]

@Azeru

- you might miss it because of *vaguely gestures to the last 5 pages* But I responded to your question before.

Any follow up there?

Eh, not really.

I already said that it's pretty much just my playstyle. We're still very early into the game, and at this stage my reads fall less into actual reads and more into "I'll point out this thing about this player that caught my attention but don't have the experience or confidence to say that it actually makes them scummy/townie". As the game progresses and we get more actual information as opposed to... *vaguely gestures to the last 5 pages*, I'll make more hard statements in my reads, but at this point I would honestly rather be scum read for having wishy-washy reads than lean into a read that I don't fully believe in.

I do think it's a bit unfair that in 542 you give Pav a pass for doing something very similar to what I was doing (townie things, scummy things, neutral I guess?), so I'd like to ask if you see something different about the way he did it? He's been saying as well that he doesn't trust in his early reads very much, see:

Spoiler:

I have a really hard time forming reads when there is so much posting going on based on so little actual information. Y'all, it's early and you're acting like we're gonna break the game open here D1.

There you go, 3 garbage reads. Take then with as much salt as you like, I know I will.

(I've just realized that I'm gonna say "it's not based on much" for basically everything I'm about to post so ... Just assume it)

But everyone's just brushed over that. What makes me different?

Vanilla Town is the best role because not only do I get to give zero fucks about drawing the nightkill, it's actually good for me to draw it.

StrangeMatter: Why Hockeyfan?

to every one this isnt a clime its a answer to a question.

I'm actually kinda glad that you say that, because that was my thoughts too, it seems like a reasonable response to my question. I just left it alone because I wanted to see where people were going with that and then it seemed too late to bring it up

I hadn't even remotely considered that it was just an answer to Zyla's opening question. Whether it's a claim or not I still find it NAI, but new perspectives are always fun.

i think more pressure on haschel is a good thing

@std, at the time, haschel is the only person voting strange, does she really need some slack there?

since it was only one vote it wasn't too bad it just seems like a weird thing to vote someone over

I'm going to chime into this bit for the first time, I totally disagree (with the second part, I have no problem whatsoever with more pressure on Haschel). It's post 50 that the vote came out, two pages into the game. Nobody's going to actually get eliminated, and if you can't get someone's attention by direct quote, putting a naked vote on them is the absolute best way to raise their eyebrows in my opinion. I can't believe that that would be a serious vote, Haschel just wanted a conversation and Strange wasn't cooperating.

[Pavowski]

i think intent to hammer might get his attention. but how long before we see him respond?

Given the current wagon on him, I would sus anybody giving intent to hammer right now.

Sus *hard*.

[cyrus62]

10 hours no responce .

[StrangeMatter]

Are we seriously still waiting for a response from him?

He could easily say something but I guess not.

[Azeru]

I am just wondering, what would we get, from voting me right now?

What's the point of this question? Specifically when asked now. The only votes you've had on you since post 330 have been Pav and Luke, and they've just been sitting there. Cyrus voted you for a quick stint between 435 and 449, but that was for all of two hours and only 14 posts between them. I just don't get why you're bringing this up now.


As an aside, looking into the above point, I noticed something. Cyrus has made 9 total votes in the game so far, and the only person he has not put a vote on is Pav. A quick history of his votes:

Spoiler:

VOTE: azeru

VOTE: hockeyfan

VOTE: zyla

VOTE: strange

VOTE: HockeyFan

VOTE: Haschel Cedricson

VOTE: std

VOTE: lukewarm

VOTE: HaschelCedricson

And a history of him reading Pav:

Spoiler:

Unvote, Vote HockeyFan

Please for the love of god announce that

this vote puts HockeyFan at E-1

or at lest say l1 and then tell them to clime.

This is way too early for anyone to be claiming

you scared if they start ?

Okay, y'all wanted a read? Antagonism is scummy. VOTE: Cyrus

your new so i'll let it slide however people do that on here.

every one will clime vt unless its scum then they aim at pr role but smart scum know this and say vt any way. so yes even if we say clime and the person saids they are pr then chances are they are not.

I do not even begin to comprehend this logic. Basically you're saying everybody will/should claim VT?

And this is an argument for forcing claims?

your right 1 town point for you.

pav pins me as scum

pav pins me as scum

I dont like this at all. Pav has made about 1-2 reads and his read on u was pretty genuine and came from a town perspective so what part of their reaction do u think is scum?

they dont post much and it seems they are looking for easy votes trying to get a mis lynch

Oh yeah the vote counter reminded me

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Save The Dragons

Why, though?

This: 310

I guess I could've figured that out if I scrolled back a little bit. Have I mentioned posting from a phone is suboptimal?

I don't like leaving my vote in limbo so I'm gonna put it on my top scum read for the moment. VOTE: strange

I smell a distancing ploy between them and Hockey.

I'm starting to feel pev is just looking for any reason to vote any one . However strange has been given me where vibs.so this could be early busing

town
Std

Moving up to town
Pavowski
Strange

Null
The guy with the sea do
G avatar
Azure
Zyla

Scum
Lean
HockeyFan
Lukewarm

Odd I don't know Pavowski. Aside from this game but we thought the same thing

@Pavowski nothing pokes out at you on pages 3,4 and 5

Now, I am making an active decision to not expend too much energy trying to read Cyrus, but I do find it interesting that with all his vote tossing, alongside the fact that he pinned Pav as scum a few times, his vote never ended up onto Pav. Another part of it I find odd is the shift between Cyrus' 169/189 and his 222/226. Pav made a single post in between all of that (212) that was just shading/distancing from Cyrus. Which, to be fair, comes up in a good number of his posts.

[Save The Dragons]

eager to hear what haschel has to say i think i like less and less his "vanilla townies give 0 fucks" opening the more i think about it

currently a little overextended in terms of games so my activity will probably be low but i'll do my best to be around

[cyrus62]

Are we seriously still waiting for a response from him?

He could easily say something but I guess not.

i thinking due to hockeys comment he doesn't think its real. that's why i said intent might get him to VOTE: hascaltalk.

[cyrus62]

I am just wondering, what would we get, from voting me right now?

What's the point of this question? Specifically when asked now. The only votes you've had on you since post 330 have been Pav and Luke, and they've just been sitting there. Cyrus voted you for a quick stint between 435 and 449, but that was for all of two hours and only 14 posts between them. I just don't get why you're bringing this up now.


As an aside, looking into the above point, I noticed something. Cyrus has made 9 total votes in the game so far, and the only person he has not put a vote on is Pav. A quick history of his votes:

Spoiler:

VOTE: azeru

VOTE: hockeyfan

VOTE: zyla

VOTE: strange

VOTE: HockeyFan

VOTE: Haschel Cedricson

VOTE: std

VOTE: lukewarm

VOTE: HaschelCedricson

And a history of him reading Pav:

Spoiler:

Unvote, Vote HockeyFan

Please for the love of god announce that

this vote puts HockeyFan at E-1

or at lest say l1 and then tell them to clime.

This is way too early for anyone to be claiming

you scared if they start ?

Okay, y'all wanted a read? Antagonism is scummy. VOTE: Cyrus

your new so i'll let it slide however people do that on here.

every one will clime vt unless its scum then they aim at pr role but smart scum know this and say vt any way. so yes even if we say clime and the person saids they are pr then chances are they are not.

I do not even begin to comprehend this logic. Basically you're saying everybody will/should claim VT?

And this is an argument for forcing claims?

your right 1 town point for you.

pav pins me as scum

pav pins me as scum

I dont like this at all. Pav has made about 1-2 reads and his read on u was pretty genuine and came from a town perspective so what part of their reaction do u think is scum?

they dont post much and it seems they are looking for easy votes trying to get a mis lynch

Oh yeah the vote counter reminded me

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Save The Dragons

Why, though?

This: 310

I guess I could've figured that out if I scrolled back a little bit. Have I mentioned posting from a phone is suboptimal?

I don't like leaving my vote in limbo so I'm gonna put it on my top scum read for the moment. VOTE: strange

I smell a distancing ploy between them and Hockey.

I'm starting to feel pev is just looking for any reason to vote any one . However strange has been given me where vibs.so this could be early busing

town
Std

Moving up to town
Pavowski
Strange

Null
The guy with the sea do
G avatar
Azure
Zyla

Scum
Lean
HockeyFan
Lukewarm

Odd I don't know Pavowski. Aside from this game but we thought the same thing

@Pavowski nothing pokes out at you on pages 3,4 and 5

Now, I am making an active decision to not expend too much energy trying to read Cyrus, but I do find it interesting that with all his vote tossing, alongside the fact that he pinned Pav as scum a few times, his vote never ended up onto Pav. Another part of it I find odd is the shift between Cyrus' 169/189 and his 222/226. Pav made a single post in between all of that (212) that was just shading/distancing from Cyrus. Which, to be fair, comes up in a good number of his posts.

look im tt. if any one wanted to they could have counter claimed or started voting for me saying that. i dont trust my own reads. heck in class during test i would always 2nd guise my self.

[Zyla]

look im tt. if any one wanted to they could have counter claimed or started voting for me saying that. i dont trust my own reads. heck in class during test i would always 2nd guise my self.

You have claimed to be TT, yes.

So far

no one has counter-claimed, yes. That does not 100% mean you

are

town tracker.
You could be a Mafia Goon with a Goon partner and thought "Hey, 66% chance that no one is able to counter if I claim TT, let's give it a shot".
Could be that no PR is willing to out themselves day one.
While it seems most likely that you're town, that doesn't mean that players shouldn't try and read you anyway.

Also, the double vote on HC almost gave me a heart attack before I realized that you already had your vote there and it was still E-1.

[StrangeMatter]

I am just wondering, what would we get, from voting me right now?

What's the point of this question? Specifically when asked now. The only votes you've had on you since post 330 have been Pav and Luke, and they've just been sitting there. Cyrus voted you for a quick stint between 435 and 449, but that was for all of two hours and only 14 posts between them. I just don't get why you're bringing this up now.

Well, it's mostly just something I thought up about right now. It was more about what could in theory been gained from this vote. If I remember correctly, a few scum reads on me were about buddying, involving people talking about possible partners. If it means getting information, I'm all for it. Only really a thought though.

[Lukewarm]

i think intent to hammer might get his attention. but how long before we see him respond?

please no

[cyrus62]

look im tt. if any one wanted to they could have counter claimed or started voting for me saying that. i dont trust my own reads. heck in class during test i would always 2nd guise my self.

You have claimed to be TT, yes.

So far

no one has counter-claimed, yes. That does not 100% mean you

are

town tracker.
You could be a Mafia Goon with a Goon partner and thought "Hey, 66% chance that no one is able to counter if I claim TT, let's give it a shot".
Could be that no PR is willing to out themselves day one.
While it seems most likely that you're town, that doesn't mean that players shouldn't try and read you anyway.

Also, the double vote on HC almost gave me a heart attack before I realized that you already had your vote there and it was still E-1.

thanks you ruined it.

[Lukewarm]

@Azeru I think you misunderstood the 542 stuff with pav. I was not saying that about him, I was helping hockey parse pav's statement. I agree that pav is on the lower end of content, and that makes is a bit harder to read him, he is sitting in null for me atm. But he gave a full read list, and generally gives out opinions a little more readily then you have appeared to. That is the difference that had him sitting a tier higher then you.

That being said, you got a little townier in my eyes with this line

but at this point I would honestly rather be scum read for having wishy-washy reads than lean into a read that I don't fully believe in.

[Lukewarm]

Are we seriously still waiting for a response from him?

He could easily say something but I guess not.

What do you mean by this message?

Can you reword?

[Zyla]

thanks you ruined it.

What do you expect to gain from someone thinking they're already dead??

[cyrus62]

also . try as you might . try as you may . even my own mother cant read me lol.

[Pavowski]

I am just wondering, what would we get, from voting me right now?

What's the point of this question? Specifically when asked now. The only votes you've had on you since post 330 have been Pav and Luke, and they've just been sitting there. Cyrus voted you for a quick stint between 435 and 449, but that was for all of two hours and only 14 posts between them. I just don't get why you're bringing this up now.


As an aside, looking into the above point, I noticed something. Cyrus has made 9 total votes in the game so far, and the only person he has not put a vote on is Pav. A quick history of his votes:

Spoiler:

VOTE: azeru

VOTE: hockeyfan

VOTE: zyla

VOTE: strange

VOTE: HockeyFan

VOTE: Haschel Cedricson

VOTE: std

VOTE: lukewarm

VOTE: HaschelCedricson

And a history of him reading Pav:

Spoiler:

Unvote, Vote HockeyFan

Please for the love of god announce that

this vote puts HockeyFan at E-1

or at lest say l1 and then tell them to clime.

This is way too early for anyone to be claiming

you scared if they start ?

Okay, y'all wanted a read? Antagonism is scummy. VOTE: Cyrus

your new so i'll let it slide however people do that on here.

every one will clime vt unless its scum then they aim at pr role but smart scum know this and say vt any way. so yes even if we say clime and the person saids they are pr then chances are they are not.

I do not even begin to comprehend this logic. Basically you're saying everybody will/should claim VT?

And this is an argument for forcing claims?

your right 1 town point for you.

pav pins me as scum

pav pins me as scum

I dont like this at all. Pav has made about 1-2 reads and his read on u was pretty genuine and came from a town perspective so what part of their reaction do u think is scum?

they dont post much and it seems they are looking for easy votes trying to get a mis lynch

Oh yeah the vote counter reminded me

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Save The Dragons

Why, though?

This: 310

I guess I could've figured that out if I scrolled back a little bit. Have I mentioned posting from a phone is suboptimal?

I don't like leaving my vote in limbo so I'm gonna put it on my top scum read for the moment. VOTE: strange

I smell a distancing ploy between them and Hockey.

I'm starting to feel pev is just looking for any reason to vote any one . However strange has been given me where vibs.so this could be early busing

town
Std

Moving up to town
Pavowski
Strange

Null
The guy with the sea do
G avatar
Azure
Zyla

Scum
Lean
HockeyFan
Lukewarm

Odd I don't know Pavowski. Aside from this game but we thought the same thing

@Pavowski nothing pokes out at you on pages 3,4 and 5

Now, I am making an active decision to not expend too much energy trying to read Cyrus, but I do find it interesting that with all his vote tossing, alongside the fact that he pinned Pav as scum a few times, his vote never ended up onto Pav. Another part of it I find odd is the shift between Cyrus' 169/189 and his 222/226. Pav made a single post in between all of that (212) that was just shading/distancing from Cyrus. Which, to be fair, comes up in a good number of his posts.

I was just reviewing votes myself and noticed the same thing and I do not like it.

[cyrus62]

thanks you ruined it.

What do you expect to gain from someone thinking they're already dead??

it wasn't meant for him but his partner. if said partner thought he was hammered then they may have jumped in and said something.

[StrangeMatter]

Are we seriously still waiting for a response from him?

He could easily say something but I guess not.

What do you mean by this message?

Can you reword?

I just want them to talk. They just need to be active in this game, but so far haven't. Not talking doesn't help anyone in this game, but it'd be stupid to vote and eliminate them for being silent.

[cyrus62]

my vote didnt last long on pav because i cant fully read him so i keep going back and fourth from null to scum. but i have noteist others who stick out more.

[cyrus62]

Are we seriously still waiting for a response from him?

He could easily say something but I guess not.

What do you mean by this message?

Can you reword?

I just want them to talk. They just need to be active in this game, but so far haven't. Not talking doesn't help anyone in this game, but it'd be stupid to vote and eliminate them for being silent.

i cant till about strange i feel as if i did the same in my 1st game.

[Azeru]

my vote didnt last long on pav because i cant fully read him so i keep going back and fourth from null to scum. but i have noteist others who stick out more.

Nope, it's not that your vote didn't last long on him. It's that you didn't vote him at all.

[Lukewarm]

Are we seriously still waiting for a response from him?

He could easily say something but I guess not.

What do you mean by this message?

Can you reword?

I just want them to talk. They just need to be active in this game, but so far haven't. Not talking doesn't help anyone in this game, but it'd be stupid to vote and eliminate them for being silent.

okay...

I read it as "why are we waiting, he could have said something if he wanted, shouldn't we just hammer" and I was getting ready to move my vote back to you.

I am still a little worried that that was designed to egg someone to voting for him....

[Lukewarm]

Actually

VOTE: strange

[Pavowski]

I am just wondering, what would we get, from voting me right now?

What's the point of this question? Specifically when asked now. The only votes you've had on you since post 330 have been Pav and Luke, and they've just been sitting there. Cyrus voted you for a quick stint between 435 and 449, but that was for all of two hours and only 14 posts between them. I just don't get why you're bringing this up now.


As an aside, looking into the above point, I noticed something. Cyrus has made 9 total votes in the game so far, and the only person he has not put a vote on is Pav. A quick history of his votes:

Spoiler:

VOTE: azeru

VOTE: hockeyfan

VOTE: zyla

VOTE: strange

VOTE: HockeyFan

VOTE: Haschel Cedricson

VOTE: std

VOTE: lukewarm

VOTE: HaschelCedricson

And a history of him reading Pav:

Spoiler:

Unvote, Vote HockeyFan

Please for the love of god announce that

this vote puts HockeyFan at E-1

or at lest say l1 and then tell them to clime.

This is way too early for anyone to be claiming

you scared if they start ?

Okay, y'all wanted a read? Antagonism is scummy. VOTE: Cyrus

your new so i'll let it slide however people do that on here.

every one will clime vt unless its scum then they aim at pr role but smart scum know this and say vt any way. so yes even if we say clime and the person saids they are pr then chances are they are not.

I do not even begin to comprehend this logic. Basically you're saying everybody will/should claim VT?

And this is an argument for forcing claims?

your right 1 town point for you.

pav pins me as scum

pav pins me as scum

I dont like this at all. Pav has made about 1-2 reads and his read on u was pretty genuine and came from a town perspective so what part of their reaction do u think is scum?

they dont post much and it seems they are looking for easy votes trying to get a mis lynch

Oh yeah the vote counter reminded me

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Save The Dragons

Why, though?

This: 310

I guess I could've figured that out if I scrolled back a little bit. Have I mentioned posting from a phone is suboptimal?

I don't like leaving my vote in limbo so I'm gonna put it on my top scum read for the moment. VOTE: strange

I smell a distancing ploy between them and Hockey.

I'm starting to feel pev is just looking for any reason to vote any one . However strange has been given me where vibs.so this could be early busing

town
Std

Moving up to town
Pavowski
Strange

Null
The guy with the sea do
G avatar
Azure
Zyla

Scum
Lean
HockeyFan
Lukewarm

Odd I don't know Pavowski. Aside from this game but we thought the same thing

@Pavowski nothing pokes out at you on pages 3,4 and 5

Now, I am making an active decision to not expend too much energy trying to read Cyrus, but I do find it interesting that with all his vote tossing, alongside the fact that he pinned Pav as scum a few times, his vote never ended up onto Pav. Another part of it I find odd is the shift between Cyrus' 169/189 and his 222/226. Pav made a single post in between all of that (212) that was just shading/distancing from Cyrus. Which, to be fair, comes up in a good number of his posts.

I was just reviewing votes myself and noticed the same thing and I do not like it.

I realize it's convenient for me to say this right after Az points it out, but I saw Cyrus calling for somebody to claim intent and it seemed a good time to actually tabulate votes. Dude has literally voted 9 times by my count. Not sure why he's leaving me out of his finger-pointing, as he's certainly shaded me enough. The only reason I'm paying attention to him right now is he's pushed this wagon on Haschel and it got rolling

fast

.