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[Seanzie]

Why did you leave out the part of this where I actually talk about the progression? You have a helluva lot of agenda about you right now.

Ahh so you hate me for quoting walls but now I'm FULL of agenda for making my quotes efficient.

You have a helluva lot of agenda about you right now

I have no problem with walls. I have a problem with a wall of quotes with little to no analysis between them.

You're also not just making your quotes efficient, you are removing parts that don't fit your narrative. When I gave an analysis on a progression, then you quote the progression but not the analysis and ask me what I think of the progression as if I hadn't already given some thoughts, that is not okay with me. Do you have questions about my analysis or do you just want me to repeat it for you?

[humaneatingmonkey]

You're also not just making your quotes efficient, you are removing parts that don't fit your narrative. When I gave an analysis on a progression, then you quote the progression but not the analysis and ask me what I think of the progression as if I hadn't already given some thoughts, that is not okay with me. Do you have questions about my analysis or do you just want me to repeat it for you?

So what did I leave out that made it conform to me agenda then? Tell me.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Also, include your answer — because you dodged the question

[cyrus62]

ok I find this interesting. Boxy trying to put the monkey in the box. On to different note . I feel between boxy monkey and Sean there is one scum here. Which one is hard to tell. Will have to reread and find out

[cyrus62]

Sean seems to misrepresent monkey

[MaxTheFox]

Didn't realize this started until today, woops.

Anyways, hello everyone! I am semi-new but I played one game already (I was scum there) and read a bunch of games before. The game in question: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86642

[Seanzie]

You're also not just making your quotes efficient, you are removing parts that don't fit your narrative. When I gave an analysis on a progression, then you quote the progression but not the analysis and ask me what I think of the progression as if I hadn't already given some thoughts, that is not okay with me. Do you have questions about my analysis or do you just want me to repeat it for you?

So what did I leave out that made it conform to me agenda then? Tell me.

How about the concluding sentence that I color-coded to make clear was part of the rest?

This is your post to me:

Boxxy's progression in the quoted posts:

#149: Monkey is a scumread.

#151: trolling is anti-town.

#172: Anti-town is more likely to flip scum. I don't like trolls.

#222: I didn't vote Monkey, but I said I support a policy elim on them.

You think this is a reasonable progression? He said that he thinks I will flip scum, but recants that he wasn't actually thinking that I was scum — only a troll? And then townleans me out of nowhere?

Here is the color-coded part that was clearly all one unit in my original post:

Boxxy's progression in the quoted posts:

#149: Monkey is a scumread.

#151: trolling is anti-town.

#172: Anti-town is more likely to flip scum. I don't like trolls.

#222: I didn't vote Monkey, but I said I support a policy elim on them.

The only post there that pings me is #222 because Boxxy never said anything about a policy elim earlier. The rest is fine.

Do you see how you left out that last sentence where I clearly said there was some issue with the progression, but the rest is fine? Then you post asking me if I think the progression is reasonable as if I didn't say anything about it already? I am willing to work with you, but only if you cut this crap. You are putting words in my mouth and other people's mouths and cutting words in bad ways, and it is minimally highly anti-town.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Monkey if you vote box I'll hammer at this point, seen enough now.

intent to hammer box if he goes to e-1 again

[humaneatingmonkey]

It's a progression. It's a sudden flip on a series of reads that he made. One thing making it bad does not make it fine.

Cropping that out barely changed my point.

[humaneatingmonkey]

ssbm, I want to see Almost50. I /ined to the game for him.

[boxxy]

monkey you're tunneled bro. You argument continues to be "why did he one person when he also said somebody else could be scummy." From now on I'll try to talk about only one thing at a time so you don't get confused okay?

FTR, you are definitely not out of the ballpark with me, even if I have shut down some bad casing of you. Monkey's case had issues, but that doesn't clear you.

Tell me about your early Monkey read. Why did you switch from "Monkey scum" to "Monkey is a policy elim" the way you did.

I didn't switch. I started with troll is anti-town and monkey is trolling, therefore monkey is anti-town. Anti-town goes in the scumbox for me.

ssbm brought up policy in 164 saying that "anti-town is not the same as scum."

I said I support policy elim of troll only posters.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I appreciate the intent and I will flashlynch as soon as everyone has posted.

[humaneatingmonkey]

boxxy, if you can, claim

[Seanzie]

Also, include your answer — because you dodged the question

I'm assuming you mean my answer to this:

Boxxy's progression in the quoted posts:

#149: Monkey is a scumread.

#151: trolling is anti-town.

#172: Anti-town is more likely to flip scum. I don't like trolls.

#222: I didn't vote Monkey, but I said I support a policy elim on them.

You think this is a reasonable progression?

He said that he thinks I will flip scum

,

but recants that he wasn't actually thinking that I was scum — only a troll?

And then townleans me out of nowhere?

Since I already told you I didn't think it was reasonable, I will address your points one at a time.

Did he? He listed you as a scumread. I suppose this is essentially the same thing, so okay.

I don't see how he recanted here. #151 and #172 together suggests that he is thinking you are a troll and thus scum. Maybe he is backtracking here - that I would be willing to hear an arguement for, but what I don't see him recanting like you imply. He never said you're ONLY a troll or anything like that, you're adding narrative here.

Yes, 50 posts later when you are actually posting game-related content, his read on you seems to have changed. Do you scumread everyone whose reads change with new information?

I'm not even saying you're necessarily wrong, but the way you are casing is bad. You are subjecting everything to a narrative that doesn't necessarily exist. You insert your own strengthenings when it suits you to strengthen and ignore tonal doubt when it doesn't suit you.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Seanzie, he townleaned me out of nowhere from #222. My posts before #222 were horseshit.

[Seanzie]

Sean seems to misrepresent monkey

How so, flame fanner?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm not even saying you're necessarily wrong, but the way you are casing is bad. You are subjecting everything to a narrative that doesn't necessarily exist. You insert your own strengthenings when it suits you to strengthen and ignore tonal doubt when it doesn't suit you.

Stop projecting.

[Seanzie]

Seanzie, he townleaned me out of nowhere from #222. My posts before #222 were horseshit.

Give me a second to look to see if I agree with your assessment of your own posts.

[Seanzie]

Seanzie, he townleaned me out of nowhere from #222. My posts before #222 were horseshit.

Give me a second to look to see if I agree with your assessment of your own posts.

Okay, yes #222 was before you actually started posting game-related content. I agree that him switching to a townread there is bad.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Apology accepted.

[boxxy]

Forcing a claim this early with a trash case. gg no re.

I'm a roaming detective, so if we have any sort of doc protection tonight would be appreciated, assuming i make it that far.

[Seanzie]

I'm not even saying you're necessarily wrong, but the way you are casing is bad. You are subjecting everything to a narrative that doesn't necessarily exist. You insert your own strengthenings when it suits you to strengthen and ignore tonal doubt when it doesn't suit you.

Stop projecting.

Narrator: While Monkey said this with much gusto towards Seanzie, it was very clear Monkey was ultimately speaking to himself.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Forcing a claim this early with a trash case. gg no re.

I'm a roaming detective, so if we have any sort of doc protection tonight would be appreciated, assuming i make it that far.

can you explain the mechanics of your role?

i knew it was gonna be some bullshit like this

[humaneatingmonkey]

hahahahahaha what was that Seanzie

[boxxy]

Do you not know what a detective is?