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[Dwlee99]

I would never do something this ballsy, so I have trouble wrapping my head around the idea of other people doing it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

It was a fluffy exchange, not game-related, and early game. Not hard at all.

[nomnomnom]

I would never do something this ballsy, so I have trouble wrapping my head around the idea of other people doing it.

The most important thing in a game of mafia is to establish what kind of scum players people would be if these people rolled scum.
Sean and Salsabil? I would totally see them doing this kind of stuff. They're the types of scum players who like refuge in audacity and stuff like that. I know this. They just scream they're that type of player to me

[humaneatingmonkey]

What would Almost50 be as scum?

[Dwlee99]

What is being suggested though is that at the beginning of the game, scum!Sean immediately pushed Cyrus, and then Salsa and Cyrus counter bussed him, and the day culminated in Cyrus getting hard bussed by both Sean and Salsa. Calling each of the scum buddies scum to start the game just seems like way more attention than scum should want.

[humaneatingmonkey]

My gutsolve right now:

1 scum in Salsabil or boxxy.
boxxy and Almost50 has the same alignment.
If boxxy is town, the last scum is MaxTheFox or Kerset.

[nomnomnom]

What would Almost50 be as scum?

A50 as scum would be someone that uses his troll appearance to push agendas for his scumteam, I feel like. Which is why he's still in the back of my mind for scum, but I don't think he's a lynch for today.
The thing about scum players like A50 is that if he's scum here, then his agenda will become apparent later on. It would just be a matter of rereading.

[humaneatingmonkey]

What is being suggested though is that at the beginning of the game, scum!Sean immediately pushed Cyrus, and then Salsa and Cyrus counter bussed him, and the day culminated in Cyrus getting hard bussed by both Sean and Salsa. Calling each of the scum buddies scum to start the game just seems like way more attention than scum should want.

Why not? Getting the towncred of "nailing the scum early" is something one scum would want. And if they were superficial or TMI-y about it, a case could be made that they're likely scum bussing.

[nomnomnom]

What is being suggested though is that at the beginning of the game, scum!Sean immediately pushed Cyrus, and then Salsa and Cyrus counter bussed him, and the day culminated in Cyrus getting hard bussed by both Sean and Salsa. Calling each of the scum buddies scum to start the game just seems like way more attention than scum should want.

You have to take into account that if boxxy is town here, then these players also took the opportunity to try and push a lynch there when it was offered as an alternative. Scums wouldn't want to necessarily want to lynch Cyrus from the get go, but distancing has become the number 1 thing scums go for, and I've noticed some amount of distancing in a lot of recent scumgames. At that point of the game it's completely uncertain that town actually lims cyrus for day 1.
There's a reason why i think boxxy is a very high info flip here.

[Salsabil Faria]

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I just read through Salsabil's ISO, and came out feeling a lot less confident about my scumread. Early D1, they did a few things that really pinged me, but now looking back, it looks like were thinking critically around the Boxxy wagon, and their pushes on Cyrus look good. Apparently they distance a lot as scum, so I'm going to take their Cyrus interactions with a grain of salt. There was one post that caught my eye that kind of looked like a slip, but given the language barrier, I'm loathe to read into it. If it wasn't a slip, it was actually a pretty reasonable post that seemed to wanted to sort ssbm. Kerset made a good point though that Salsabil seemed to be asking a lot of questions without much followup.

So, I'm moving Salsabil out of my immediate PoE, into my upper PoE.

1.Mention the post please which you think is a scum-slip from me.

2.

Kerset

is not right about me, I'm following up.

3.''

it looks like were thinking critically around the Boxxy wagon

'': Can you explain more?

[Bambi Jay]

Well I guess I'll make it clear I townread Box and won't vote him (unlike SOME people) today at all. If we actually listen to Nom and Monkey and co, and elim one of our PRs and scum shoot Almost so we lose both our investigatives, I'm gunning for the man eating Monkey.

[nomnomnom]

Well I guess I'll make it clear I townread Box and won't vote him (unlike SOME people) today at all. If we actually listen to Nom and Monkey and co, and elim one of our PRs and scum shoot Almost so we lose both our investigatives

How can you be so sure that these two players are telling the truth?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Why am I scum, Bambi Jay, other than the fact that I'm pushing boxxy?

[Dwlee99]

@nom, monkey
I'll look at Sean's home site scum meta eventually cause I think if he doesn't do it there he doesn't do it here.

I agree with Bambi and think that the a50 claim makes Boxxy's claim very likely to be true. The only way it isn't imo is either an a50 + boxxy team or the scum were informed of the existence of the psychiatrist.

[humaneatingmonkey]

the scum were informed of the existence of the psychiatrist.

we would have gotten a hard counterclaim

[Dwlee99]

the scum were informed of the existence of the psychiatrist.

we would have gotten a hard counterclaim

Wdym? I mean if scum were informed of a psychiatrist they could have thought "oh hey let's claim detective cause it'll look like it fits in the setup"

[Salsabil Faria]

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I read through most people's ISOS to help me sort them, and this is what I came up with:

humaneatingmonkey

Kerset
nomnomnom

Dwlee99

Bambi Jay

MaxTheFox
T3
Salsabil Faria

boxxy
Almost50

Seanzie

I suppose it goes by strong townread, less strong townread, townlean, null, scumread, you?

or one of them is scum and pocketed the other.

Who do you think is the town between them?

I'm thinking we elim Salsabil now to see alignment, then elim boxxy Day 3 if Salsabil is town, then elim A50 Day 4 if boxxy is scum.

I'm ok with that.

In post 767, Kerset wrote:
In post 764, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
Has boxxy's result really affected your reads on Seanzie here? Exactly.

no but the NKA did

How

Kuyoku suspected sean and died randomly

He suspected me too.

What is this with someone's role clearing boxxy?

Game mechanics.

Another thing, if I were scum, cyrus62 wouldn't play like this.

Explain?

Scum!me would have stopped him from doing damage for my scumteam.

[Kerset]

salsa use spoiler tags, you spam the thread

[humaneatingmonkey]

Ah I see. I thought you were talking about a scumteam of A50 and boxxy being informed of psychologist.

[Kerset]

Kuyoku suspected sean and died randomly

There are multiple levels to this, so why do you prefer this narrative specifically? Kuyoku also suspected Salsabil and died seemingly randomly.

wut? are we reading the same iso?

[nomnomnom]

the scum were informed of the existence of the psychiatrist.

we would have gotten a hard counterclaim

I think what he means is that scums could be informed that this game has a psychologist, so scum!boxxy claims detective just so it can be believed by the psychologist claim. However I find that unlikely, as informing the scumteam that there's a psychologist basically makes the role way less possible. If everything is true about A50's role, this gives the scumteam two nights to generate innos on themselves. That does seem to make no sense in terms of setup design.

[Kerset]

No one in scum team would expect that the first push in game is the one which will deliver elimination. It is reading game backwards.

What does this mean

It means that sean is not cleared thanks for being the first on cyrus wagon

[humaneatingmonkey]

Yes, Kerset, you can check it out that Kuyoku suspects Salsabil as well. You should check it out.

Thanks for answering my questions.

[Dwlee99]

That scumteam (pedit: a50 + boxxy) doesn't seem likely to me because they'd both have to claim roles that link together setup-wise and risk getting destroyed during massclaim when people are figuring out the setup "theme."

the scum were informed of the existence of the psychiatrist.

we would have gotten a hard counterclaim

However I find that unlikely, as informing the scumteam that there's a psychologist basically makes the role way less possible.

Agreed: I think boxxy and a50 are both town.

[Kerset]

i saw only like two early posts about it but ok