Townstumps Mafia (Endgame)

[jjh927]

Honestly, I don't think this is helpful

It would be nice if tomorrow, whichever stump came up with NM's role, and they should probably know which one they are, should give us whatever information they think we need. I don't really trust NM as a person to give us enough but not too much

[Moongrass]

What happens if scum are commuters and a Hider hides behind them?

[jjh927]

Fwiw I think it's possible that the commuter enabler is a red herring where if we were to have elimed the slot on day 3 rather than day 1 then the flip of a commuter enabler would cast doubt on past innos if NM's innos are indeed no results

[Titus]

What happens if scum are commuters and a Hider hides behind them?

I would assume this would generate a false clear (assuming a weak hider). A commuter is effectively a self-rolestopper. No one actually visits a commuted person.

[jjh927]

What happens if scum are commuters and a Hider hides behind them?

Action fails

Action fails on commuters of either alignment

Also worth noting that the normal hider's action does not fail when it targets scum

[Gamma Emerald]

What happens if scum are commuters and a Hider hides behind them?

If the scum commuted then the hider doesn’t die from visiting scum

[Moongrass]

Right, which could be why House wants NM to visit? Seems stretchy but I like it.

[jjh927]

NK15 flipped commuter enabler so any commuters have been unable to commute for the whole game

[Moongrass]

Oh yeah lol. Dammit.

[Gamma Emerald]

Right, which could be why House wants NM to visit? Seems stretchy but I like it.

Stretchy to the point you’re breaking your back trying to rationalize it yah

[jjh927]

The scumteam could have anywhere between 0 and 2 commuters and it wouldn't mean a thing because none of them can commute regardless

[Titus]

If not mafia is indeed a weak hider and scum do indeed have a roleblocker, then Not Mafia's clears are not confirmed. However, unless the team is exactly Gamma + mastina (unlikely) then Gamma is certainly town. Scum would have had to roleblock not mafia both nights, but this doesn't explain the no kill. Scum wouldn't attempt to kill and block not mafia if they had indeed resolved he was a hider. He also would have died if he was roleblocked. So we can infer that if not mafia is a weak hider, then mastina is town. (if not mafia had been blocked {which is the only way he doesn't die if mastina is scum} then the scum kill goes through).

[Titus]

If not mafia is indeed a weak hider and scum do indeed have a roleblocker, then Not Mafia's clears are not confirmed. However, unless the team is exactly Gamma + mastina (unlikely) then Gamma is certainly town. Scum would have had to roleblock not mafia both nights, but this doesn't explain the no kill. Scum wouldn't attempt to kill and block not mafia if they had indeed resolved he was a hider. He also would have died if he was roleblocked. So we can infer that if not mafia is a weak hider, then mastina is town. (if not mafia had been blocked {which is the only way he doesn't die if mastina is scum} then the scum kill goes through).

[Moongrass]

Well if commuting was all they had then surely they wouldn't have let NK die so easily?

[Titus]

TLDR if not mafia is a weak hider then Gamma probtown mastina conftown even with the presence of a roleblocker.

[Moongrass]

Nice titus.

[Titus]

Well if commuting was all they had then surely they wouldn't have let NK die so easily?

That is a problem, which changes the VCA a bit but still points a nice arrow to Cyrus.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why am I certainly town in the thought process but probtown in the summary?

[jjh927]

Titus, you're missing that I think scum would have made the assumption that NM was a weak hider or similar based on how telegraphed his targets were, and so if they wanted to remove him they would need to go for his target

[jjh927]

I think that considering this is a role that one of the stumps decided on with full creative freedom to come up with something crazy, and also NM is a massive troll, so ultimately I would be disappointed if we could figure out what his role was

[Titus]

Vote Count 1.10

Not Known 15 (4):

mastina, DrippingGoofball, House, Free Money Free Tea,

Moongrass (3):

Gamma Emerald, Not Known 15, nomnomnom,

jjh927 (2):

Mia and Maya Fey, Titus,

Mia and Maya Fey (1):

cyrus62,

House (1):

Moongrass,

cyrus62 (0):

mastina (0):

Free Money Free Tea (0):

nomnomnom (0):

Not_Mafia (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

Titus (0):

DrippingGoofball (0):

No Euphemization (0):

Not Voting (2):

jjh927, Not_Mafia,

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to euphemize and

7

to have no euphemization.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-06-17 17:00:00). At Deadline, currently No Euphemization will occur.

Vote Count 1.11

Not Known 15 (4):

mastina, DrippingGoofball, Free Money Free Tea, cyrus62,

Moongrass (3):

Gamma Emerald, Not Known 15, nomnomnom,

jjh927 (2):

Mia and Maya Fey, Titus,

nomnomnom (2):

House, Moongrass,

Free Money Free Tea (0):

House (0):

Mia and Maya Fey (0):

cyrus62 (0):

mastina (0):

Not_Mafia (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

Titus (0):

DrippingGoofball (0):

No Euphemization (0):

Not Voting (2):

jjh927, Not_Mafia,

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to euphemize and

7

to have no euphemization.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-06-17 17:00:00). At Deadline, currently No Euphemization will occur.

I have a problem with these two VCs. Why wasn't moongrass pushed here?

@jjh, that theory possibly works for the nom kill but fails to explain the no kill. The second night is almost certainly scum shooting not mafia.

[cyrus62]

Well if commuting was all they had then surely they wouldn't have let NK die so easily?

That is a problem, which changes the VCA a bit but still points a nice arrow to Cyrus.

sure i told you lot i been doing my best to help town. now i am getting fed up with the shade. if you want a miselim vote me . however i wont sit here and let titus try to get town points for it. titus wanted a miselm yesterday and got it . titus didnt vote nk and they flip scum. titus is trying to lead town to a lost.

[cyrus62]

my poe is titus jjh and moon.

[Titus]

Vote Count 1.FINAL

Not Known 15 (7):

mastina, Free Money Free Tea, Mia and Maya Fey, DrippingGoofball, nomnomnom, Not_Mafia, Moongrass,

Moongrass (1):

Gamma Emerald,

Free Money Free Tea (1):

Titus,

Mia and Maya Fey (1):

Not Known 15,

Titus (1):

jjh927,

nomnomnom (0):

jjh927 (0):

House (0):

cyrus62 (0):

mastina (0):

Not_Mafia (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

DrippingGoofball (0):

No Euphemization (0):

Not Voting (2):

House, cyrus62,

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to euphemize and

7

to have no euphemization.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-06-17 17:00:00). At Deadline, currently No Euphemization will occur.

A Hammer has been achieved!

Not Known 15 has been made into a Euphemism Day 1.

He was:

Spoiler:

Mafia Informed Commuter Enabler

Informed Commuter Enabler

You are aware that [Redacted]. If you die, any commuters will be unable to commute.

At the end of the day, the only possible scum vote on NK15 are the hydra and Moongrass. The hydra is on far too early unless they deliberately bussed their enhancer role which is unlikely.

Moongrass could have resigned but then why point me back towards the vca?

[Titus]

my poe is titus jjh and moon.

Why is House not part of your PoE when he's been protecting me so hard?
Who should not mafia target tonight provided we lynch town and he is a weak hider?