Mini Normal 2215: Deco [Complete]

[Egix96]

Btw, if "sfumato" and "chiaroscuro" are words from another language, an explanation of what they mean is probably needed.

Right. Agreed here.

sfumato

is subtle, soft gradation between light and shadow in painting;

chiaroscuro

is the opposite: stark contrast and clear, bold divides between the two.

So the analogy is that CW not dying is more subtle than blatant? Is it just that?

[Egix96]

Personally I'm not sure what to make of VFP. I like 171 but dislike 160.

[KidAmn]

Btw, if "sfumato" and "chiaroscuro" are words from another language, an explanation of what they mean is probably needed.

Right. Agreed here.

sfumato

is subtle, soft gradation between light and shadow in painting;

chiaroscuro

is the opposite: stark contrast and clear, bold divides between the two.

So the analogy is that CW not dying is more subtle than blatant? Is it just that?

It's that T3 complains about DGB shading CW, then opens D2 with something looks awfully like shade, or at the least an invitation to shade.

[Roden]

What makes you think I'm trying to work with him?

Why aren't you questioning KA's summary, actually? Why is my vote odd but KA's scum read on Geraint isn't?

- I mean "working with" in the sense of "helping out". As in, making it easier for Amn to push geraint if he wants to.

- Admittedly I hadn't yet had a good opportunity to sit down and parse Amn's catchup. Only just now I have, but the issues I can see are no different from those already pointed out by you.

- The difference is that Amn's read at least makes some sense, based on what little is included about him (e.g. the response to 511).

Have you noticed that KA hasn't even bothered to respond to, clarify, or acknowledge any of this?

I put a vote on Geraint because I wanted to see what would happen. You and VFP reacted pretty normally, but all Geraint said is that KA and I were not town yet didn't vote for either of us. The way KA is going about this, it doesn't sound like he actually wants Geraint gone.

My problem is that I'm town reading Ranny and T3, but Geraint is Null for me. So why did he get grouped up with us? Post 511 hardly seems like a reason to scum read somebody. So fmpov I have to wonder, did KA really scum read four Townies, or three town and one scum?

And why Geraint over DGB and Jake, who he actually did claim contained one scum between them but didn't include them in his scum pool? If he's sure there's scum there, why isn't he pressuring them? Why did all of his pressure fall on me, T3, and Ranny?

[KidAmn]

And why Geraint over DGB and Jake, who he actually did claim contained one scum between them but didn't include them in his scum pool? If he's sure there's scum there, why isn't he pressuring them? Why did all of his pressure fall on me, T3, and Ranny?

Read the disclaimer.

[Jake The Wolfie]

KA, can you quote the post you're reffering to?

[KidAmn]

Alrighty then, here we go some of you will know this one, it's time for the wall post catch up of doom (I'll probably split it into 2 pieces and it's not going to be half as impressive as some of my previous work, but hey ho.

For those of you who haven't,

my usual disclaimer is that my views can, and likely will, change as I read though. Shit's organic, like fertiliser.

[Roden]

That sounds like a cop out so you can shade and scum read whoever you want in your summary with zero consequences.

Nobody in your scum pool contradicts or clears one of Jake or DGB being scum. Especially not Geraint, who you barely even explain for putting in your scum pool. If your reads changed at some point, you absolutely did not explain how or why.

[geraintm]

@roden

I didnt vote as I am waiting for cw to actually enter the game

[Titus]

Not sure what to think here. I suspect a scum in KA, Rodan, Geratin but no more than 1.

[geraintm]

@titus why do you think I am scum? I've not worked outbwhat the case is against me yet

[Rannygazoo]

I can go the rest of the game assuming Roden is town.

@titus why do you think I am scum? I've not worked outbwhat the case is against me yet

There’s no reason to think you’re not. You haven’t really contributed to scum hunting.

[Titus]

@titus why do you think I am scum? I've not worked outbwhat the case is against me yet

I'm not certain you are scum. That post is just a general feeling based on the conversations between the three of you and I wanted to document the thought.

If you think of my reads of the three of you as a triangle game of pool, I need to get the ball into one pocket, but I'm not sure which one to shoot at. They all look equally valid but I'm not sure which one is actually a hole versus just black fabric.

@Ranny, don't answer for me.

[Roden]

@titus why do you think I am scum? I've not worked outbwhat the case is against me yet

This is exactly what's pinging me. You got scum read over one post, and you were prioritized over DGB vs Jake with no real explanation. Even now, KA is only making excuses instead of explaining his reads.

Look at it this way. T3, Ranny, and I got scum read with pretty in-depth reasons. If you think it's likely three scum openly made a bunch of noise and defended each other, sure, fine, you can believe that. But why are you here? And why did the previous player in KA's slot also scum read you? Neither of them gave nearly as much insight when scum reading you as they did their other reads.

If you're town, and fmpov T3, Ranny, and I are also town, then KA scum read four townies.

But what I think is more likely is that scum!KA needs to put at least one scum on his list if he's going to give out reads. Just in case a Cop targets the right players. It gives him town cred and bus potential without actually having to apply any pressure at all on actual scum. He can then use Jake vs DGB as more town cred if a Cop or Vig looks that way at night, or save them for ELO and either win the game or gain town cred when it comes up. He's set up to look good no matter what without having to commit to anything.

I voted you, Geraint, because I'm calling his bluff. His silence and excuses just makes it look more damning.

If I'm wrong, then KA needs to speak up and start explaining. I'm completely open to changing my mind if KA is compelling enough. I'd also like to see what others think.

[Roden]

Also, side note but I think there's a pretty good chance CW is going to replace out since he still hasn't posted. We might not know what happened with him for another day.

[Rannygazoo]

@Ranny, don't answer for me.

If my answer could have prevented you from giving your own answer, you’re more delicate than I had thought.

[Titus]

@Ranny, don't answer for me.

If my answer could have prevented you from giving your own answer, you’re more delicate than I had thought.

It doesn't prevent me from answering but occasionally blocks others from determining my own organic thoughts versus some other sheepish nonsense if we think similarly.

[Roden]

Titus, what do you think of KA's summary being inconsistent with his reads? Do you think I'm just full of shit or possibly looking for town mistakes?

I understand you think any of the three of us being scum is a valid option, but I'd like to know your perspective here. Even if you're uncertain, that's better than sitting on the fence.

[Umlaut]

Seeking a replacement for cw357.

[T3]

Seeking a replacement for cw357.

:/

[VFP]

So what's the chances that cw flaked and didn't do an action?

[Rannygazoo]

I’d put it at 80%

I played a game with this guy, remember

@umlaut thank you, and don’t reverse this time

[Rannygazoo]

What I find puzzling, and I don’t know if cw’s slot will help me figure this out, is why someone would attack the target that a doctor called.

[VFP]

What I find puzzling, and I don’t know if cw’s slot will help me figure this out, is why someone would attack the target that a doctor called.

It suggests a roleblocker.
But I want to see if an action was even made.

I don't feel like scum kill there if cw is scum.

[Rannygazoo]

Seems like a pointless way to expose that you have a roleblocker.