Townstumps Mafia (Endgame)

[jjh927]

Honestly I think it's pretty memes that the wagon includes all of me, Titus, Moon, and House

[Titus]

I'll compromise

If cyrus flips town, I'll check jjh
If cyrus flips scum, I'll check Feydra

Works for me.

[jjh927]

I do think this will flip scum but honestly we needed the conversation time here and you take that away for the sake of your bit

I think we shouldn’t rush this day. I haven’t even eaten yet. And just kind of skimmed the 10+ pages and want to go over them more thoroughly later.

Too late NM hammered it after house E-2ed knowing that NM would hammer it

[jjh927]

E-1ed, rather

[House]

But seriously, House faked a tracker guilty on Cyrus, who reacts with a bit of nonsense and the assertion that it's a fake guilty without even considering that House could be scum OR claiming a role

How does that happen organically

It's not organic. House just completely stops the push to change directions to push some nonsense about how I'm scum because I assumed there was an investigative role in the game. He doesn't get reactions from half the thread and doesn't wait to actually generate discussion on cyrus before outing the alleged guilty.

I just wanted cyrus' reaction, and the longer I kept the fakeclaim active, the more likely it could lead to a real investigative or stump outing TMI

[Moongrass]

Honestly I think it's pretty memes that the wagon includes all of me, Titus, Moon, and House

Trolls are people too.

[Moongrass]

But yes, the head to head turns into a flash lim thanks to house's final vote which makes me feel sick.

[jjh927]

Yeeeeeeeep

Particularly just as the winds were turning towards a House elim

[Titus]

I don't see why town!House votes there.

[Not_Mafia]

I don't see why town!House votes there.

Shiggles

[House]

I'm just rereading the fake guilty from House on Cyrus and I feel it looks really bad for both parties

Yeah, we totally choreographed that exchange.

Is this a resignation or sarcasm?

Lol

[Moongrass]

No bets this time cyrus?

[House]

Like, I'm sure House knows his way around scum theatre but I think Cyrus would fail the audition for background tree #5

That would answer the whole sig bet thing. House would never approve that coming off from a ban but if it was just spontaneous from Cyrus, them's the breaks.

And why wouldn't I tell him to knock it off in scum chat instead of make a scene over it?

Make the best out of a bad situation.

That's just confbias yammer.

[House]

No bets this time cyrus?

That's some scummy taunting.

[Moongrass]

Your face is scummy.

[Moongrass]

For real though, each time he was voted by a single person he was all "grrr flip me then them" and now he's just not here.

[House]

For real though, each time he was voted by a single person he was all "grrr flip me then them" and now he's just not here.

That's fair.

[jjh927]

I'm gonna go to bed and hopefully I'll wake up to a scumflip

[mastina]

You've read the recent pages and don't think that's town!Titus?

Everyone looks town to me, jjh. Titus included. I have to approach things from a more logical objective standpoint: two players who look like they are town, aren't actually town.

When it comes to two players that are looking town but aren't actually town, that means I have to look at what they are doing. The interactions between the slots, along with what their interactions are accomplishing. The normal "this looks like them as town" isn't good enough, because everyone looks like town to me with reasonably compelling reasons for that to be the case.

I can write a towncase on Titus and yes, Titus's more recent posting would be among it, sure.

But I can write a towncase on House.

I can write a towncase on cyrus.

I can write a towncase on Moongrass.

The hardest towncase to write would be Mia and Maya Fey surprisingly enough, but while I might have the most issue in writing a towncase for them, I also have the hardest time slotting them into most scumteams so in that sense there's a decent towncase for them, too.

Two players who I can write a towncase on because they look like town, aren't actually town and are scum.

And when it comes to looking at the deeper level at interactions and motives.

cyrus doesn't fit the scum profile nearly as well--specifically because he's, so to speak, n00bscum (not newbscum). I realize that you think he just looks like obvscum and that n00bscum that looks like obvscum would just be scum...but I actually don't think he DOES look like obvscum. There's actually a fair amount of nuance in his thought process and it feels like for cyrus to be scum, you both need to give him less credit than he deserves AND more credit than he deserves. I don't really have a way to explain that, unfortunately, but for cyrus to be scum it both feels like he must be literally the worst scum player and yet also literally be pulling off subtle nuanced scum plays that are of a much higher caliber and that you can't have him be both but for him to be scum requires him to be both.

It's not impossible for him to be scum, but it doesn't seem to fit nearly as well especially given overall interactions from other players.

Titus however, when you get past her play looking like town-Titus (which it does), and you look more into what she's doing and the motives for it, does fit as scum quite well. That's not a guarantee that she's scum, but she definitely fits as scum, especially since there's one thing from Titus that I'd expect to see from her if she were town that I'm not seeing. She seems unusually survivalistic and unusually not-fatalistic. Her content looks like her towngame, yes, but deeper down she doesn't feel town to me on a fundamental level.

House's early play looked quite town, but similarly, his later play looks less motivated by "solving the game" and more motivated by "okay I need to troubleshoot how to get to a workable endgame here". He still looks town by play, but the things he is doing look like they are motivated by being scum. It is possible that he is passionate town that is strongly opinionated, but to me he actually looks like he is trying to steer the gamestate in a direction where he has a chance to endgame, and is highly performative.

Moongrass just feels town on every level to me, almost as much as you do, jjh.

Mia and Maya Fey are surprisingly silent all things considered, which is a bit of a concern. But while it is a bit of a concern given the players involved should be more active and involved, it's less damning imo than it could be because while they're not being active, that also means they're not trying to steer the gamestate in a direction that gives scum a possible win.

I realize these are scattered, not satisfactory, notes on where I am right now but I really think that a Titus elimination into a House elimination gives us the best chance at winning here, because while everyone looks town by play, two players must be scum and when I look at the deeper levels, the players who have the highest chances of being scum who look town are Titus and House with the most realistic of scumteam combos between them.

[House]

House's early play looked quite town, but similarly, his later play looks less motivated by "solving the game" and more motivated by "okay I need to troubleshoot how to get to a workable endgame here".

No, it was actually more along the lines of "how can I prevent the elimination of a townread and sell a wagon that I have no actual scum read on.

So, I town hunted.

[House]

Also, narrowing my mislim pool to exactly 2 via PoE on d3 is extremely substandard scum play, which I would think any experienced scummer would know.

[Moongrass]

Vibing so hard with mastina. I just couldn't handle cyrus' solve being the two wagons in the game, that was enough of tolerating his shenanigans for me.

[House]

If there is one thing shortaru was not, it was substandard scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

I can do a pbpa of Moon to determine exactly how much the play resembles that other game
I had a very plain reduction of her play there that I think should still be applicable

I’m going to aim to make this my next order of business but I also believe hammer was reached? And I wanna do some college work before doing this, so it might not happen in time to be done today

[Moongrass]

Awesome Gamma. Study hard.