Open 815: Forest Fire Redux [Endgame]

[Hectic]

What's indicative about the replace-out?

[MURDERCAT]

Vote Count 3.2

[1] T3: Satoru Nakata
[1] Noraa: Lukewarm
[0] Satoru Nakata:
[0] Infinity 324:
[0] Prism:
[0] Hectic:
[0] Lukewarm:

Not voting: Hectic, T3, Infinity 324, Prism, Noraa

With 7 alive it takes 4 to eliminate.

Deadline expires in

(expired on 2021-06-26 17:01:14).

Mod Notes:
- Noraa is V/LA until the 29th

[Hectic]

But yeah T3's lack of substance abuse means it's hard to ever confidently pin him as town, I do agree though that his actions are town and non-partner-indicative for what he has graced us with

[Infinity 324]

hectic we do not peer pressure here you should know better

[Prism]

What's indicative about the replace-out?

Just solo-scum replacing out period is kinda eh, would be the same thing w/ Ydrasse, but it happens so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Satoru Nakata]

Nakata still needs to read the relevant part of the game that Lukewarm is talking about when he says that T3 is town, but Nakata is unconvinced by the arguments being made — Nakata thinks that if T3 is the final scum, he wouldn’t necessarily want the additional attention on him that comes with a hammer, especially not if it looks like his partner is liable to be flipped later anyway. Nakata acknowledges that it might have given Johnny or a replacement for Johnny more time to get their teeth into the game, but if the slot looked significantly less towny than the rest (which it would have done, probably, given hem’s inability to stave off elimination) then hammering would just have sunk T3 and left a doomed Johnny to be PoE’d.

While T3 may not *like* being endgame scum, Nakata thinks that this game he may have been forced into that role due to not knowing if/when Johnny would turn up or redeem his slot at all. Therefore T3 wouldn’t want to compromise himself via hammering.

But like Nakata says, he still needs to read up. Nakata will try to find the posts he thought that Noraa made that he hopes she wouldn’t make as scum later. Maybe now, but Nakata is low on time!

[Hectic]

hectic we do not peer pressure here you should know better

Infinity you should do less hard drugs and eat more snickers

What's indicative about the replace-out?

Just solo-scum replacing out period is kinda eh, would be the same thing w/ Ydrasse, but it happens so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Ah, fair

[Satoru Nakata]

Noraa you got better! No matter your alignment. I like this noraa

Thank you that means a lot to me. I recently was actually reading through some of my past games. I recently met a very toxic player(we are not naming names and I am not trying to attack anyone everyone goes through phases and I understand) but it really struck deep realizing what my play had evolved into. I looked through some past games. Prism might've reminded me of cabd because that was a game that I recently read actually. Reading that game hurt my soul. It hurt so bad realizing how bad my play was and just how terrible I could be. Ok this is a discussion for a different place but this does mean a lot to me. I'd like to think my play is no longer a toxic shitfest of the most useless garbage. AHH ok I need to stop. I kept doing this recently. but this means a lot. it really really does.

Nakata thought this post rung as very emotionally honest and thinks it would be very distasteful for Noraa to be using it to try to manipulate people into TRing her here. However, Nakata admits he doesn’t know Noraa that well or if she would share his opinion about this, and maybe Nakata is weighting it too heavily, especially as he supposes that Noraa isn’t actually pointing to this post or her different attitude here and trying to use that to get townreads from people.

Okay, Nakata must leave. Nakata will return later, tree friends!

[Hectic]

Have I played with Nakata frequently before?

pedit: Wait stop the trees need you here Nakata!!

[Hectic]

Noraa you got better! No matter your alignment. I like this noraa

Thank you that means a lot to me. I recently was actually reading through some of my past games. I recently met a very toxic player(we are not naming names and I am not trying to attack anyone everyone goes through phases and I understand) but it really struck deep realizing what my play had evolved into. I looked through some past games. Prism might've reminded me of cabd because that was a game that I recently read actually. Reading that game hurt my soul. It hurt so bad realizing how bad my play was and just how terrible I could be. Ok this is a discussion for a different place but this does mean a lot to me. I'd like to think my play is no longer a toxic shitfest of the most useless garbage. AHH ok I need to stop. I kept doing this recently. but this means a lot. it really really does.

Nakata thought this post rung as very emotionally honest and thinks it would be very distasteful for Noraa to be using it to try to manipulate people into TRing her here. However, Nakata admits he doesn’t know Noraa that well or if she would share his opinion about this, and maybe Nakata is weighting it too heavily, especially as he supposes that Noraa isn’t actually pointing to this post or her different attitude here and trying to use that to get townreads from people.

Okay, Nakata must leave. Nakata will return later, tree friends!

I think that post is genuine but entirely NAI for Noraa, I believe she's referring to her play as both alignments, and probably wasn't trying to manipulate us with it if scum

[Infinity 324]

Y'all convinced me that the ydrasse slot is town

I'm less confident that noraa is scum than y'all. I agree that child was towny but I'm not convinced that child was a newbie lol cause of how many alts who pretend to be new I've seen

I think scum!noraa would've had to improve her ability to replicate her towngame by quite a bit but town!noraa also would've had to improve a lot so. Also she's smoother than she usually is as town but I'm not quite sure how indicative that is.

T3 could be scum but ehh

I need to meta hectic but he feels town to me

I think it's too early to paranoia on prism

I'm not going to consider lukewarm being scum

[Noraa]

Noraa you got better! No matter your alignment. I like this noraa

Thank you that means a lot to me. I recently was actually reading through some of my past games. I recently met a very toxic player(we are not naming names and I am not trying to attack anyone everyone goes through phases and I understand) but it really struck deep realizing what my play had evolved into. I looked through some past games. Prism might've reminded me of cabd because that was a game that I recently read actually. Reading that game hurt my soul. It hurt so bad realizing how bad my play was and just how terrible I could be. Ok this is a discussion for a different place but this does mean a lot to me. I'd like to think my play is no longer a toxic shitfest of the most useless garbage. AHH ok I need to stop. I kept doing this recently. but this means a lot. it really really does.

Nakata thought this post rung as very emotionally honest and thinks it would be very distasteful for Noraa to be using it to try to manipulate people into TRing her here. However, Nakata admits he doesn’t know Noraa that well or if she would share his opinion about this, and maybe Nakata is weighting it too heavily, especially as he supposes that Noraa isn’t actually pointing to this post or her different attitude here and trying to use that to get townreads from people.

Okay, Nakata must leave. Nakata will return later, tree friends!

This post came out of the depths of my heart. Toxicity in town games was a real issue for me for the longest time. No hectic, it is not NAI. I don't get toxic as scum or at least I very very rarely do. But my town game was a huge shitfest for months and months and it was painful for me and the people around me who knew I didn't like being an asshole. What infinity said meant a lot to me because of that. I don't want to go into this here honestly.

Nakata, I do use AtE when I am scum to get people to TR me. While I think it is probably near my scum range, I never quite go that deep as scum because that's when it starts hurting to see people believe me.

[Noraa]

I'm less confident that noraa is scum than y'all. I agree that child was towny but I'm not convinced that child was a newbie lol cause of how many alts who pretend to be new I've seen

I think scum!noraa would've had to improve her ability to replicate her towngame by quite a bit but town!noraa also would've had to improve a lot so. Also she's smoother than she usually is as town but I'm not quite sure how indicative that is.

I'm not scum. infinity please help me!!

[Infinity 324]

Who's scum?

[Noraa]

Who's scum?

Lukewarm or Hectic

[Infinity 324]

Lukewarm is townnnn

[Prism]

I would be more than happy to vote them if you lay out some persuasive & specific reasoning for them.

[skitter30]

maybe i'm horribly tunneled >.>

[skitter30]

even if hectic and nekata are town i'm not sure i buy noraa-scum tho

[Lukewarm]

Noraa has become lock scum for me as of this page. I am ready to 1v1 her to the death. If we kill her today, and she flips town, I will take the elim tomorrow.

Spoiler:

No, I cannot explain what happened on this page to lock her as scum for me, which I know is

really crappy

- but that is why I am willing to offer myself up as the miselim tomorrow, to make up for me not being able to explain my reasoning

My game plan for Day 4 was to ask everyone if we should kill a paranoia target (out of me, prism, infinity) anyways, because the 3 of us were all most likely going to be primed at that point, so there was little risk, but I am 100% down to be the paranoia vote tomorrow.

[skitter30]

lukewarm is very, very, very town tho

[Prism]

1543 makes me wanna scream in 2 da void 1545 heals the soul

[Prism]

I think #4 specifically in my wall is really, really worth combing over

[skitter30]

i think you made some very cogent points there and my understanding of how likely child was to go through was mistaken
sorry for derailing eveyrone >.>

i'm still not 100% sure why ydra was townread so strongly tho

[skitter30]

are people townreading infinity