Newbie 2067 - Pizza! - End!

[HockeyFan]

picking up right where we left off after the Strange elimination.

Yea now that I look back at it, nothing wrong but like I was a bit confused by the speed of your votes. I still want Strange, but I want him to post more to see if he is towny or smth

[Pavowski]

picking up right where we left off after the Strange elimination.

Yea now that I look back at it, nothing wrong but like I was a bit confused by the speed of your votes. I still want Strange, but I want him to post more to see if he is towny or smth

Strange is dead, dude.

Strange is dead.

[HockeyFan]

LOL i meant STD, my bad

[cyrus62]

Starting to think it is just a doc since no one's coming forward which means we have to get today right. Because that means we have a rolecop which means if town don't get it right today we will surely lose.

[Pavowski]

Starting to think it is just a doc since no one's coming forward which means we have to get today right. Because that means we have a rolecop which means if town don't get it right today we will surely lose.

I know I said I was done engaging with Cyrus antics, but saying this kind of stuff just isn't true and doesn't help us in any way. We are at 8 players now with 2 mafia. If we miselim today, we will be at 7 tonight and presumed 6 tomorrow. At that point we should worry about losing, but not until then. Yet you keep talking like the game is already lost.

Honestly. You need to stop with this.

[Lukewarm]

gonna try to give this game the activity it deserves. that said i have friends coming over so i'll try to post tonight

[Pavowski]

gonna try to give this game the activity it deserves. that said i have friends coming over so i'll try to post tonight

I mean, it *was* Father's Day yesterday, and it *was* Sunday...

[Lukewarm]

I mean, I probably would not have thought anything of it if he had not specifically said hew as gonna post last night, but because he said that I logged on specifically looking for his post.

[Pavowski]

Well since you and I are here early, Luke, any thoughts on the votes from yesterday? I have some inklings but I'm curious if I'm overthinking and reading too much into it

[Lukewarm]

I already mentioned my concerns with STDs votes.

And then Cyrus's "I'm not going to hammer" -> "I saw your crumb" -> "hammering," obviously. But, like, I cannot bring my self to try and figure out what he is doing.

[Lukewarm]

Did you mean ALL votes, or the EoD votes? I remember you posted a list, but have not really looked at it too closely.

[Lukewarm]

I am looking at the list you posted in 914, and trying to guess what caught your eye.

I assume it is Zyla only having one vote the entire day? That is the only thing that stands out

[Lukewarm]

Having the post numbers there, does make it clearer that STD was lurking early day, like he rode his RVS vote until the day was almost over, then was wagon shopping

[Pavowski]

Did you mean ALL votes, or the EoD votes? I remember you posted a list, but have not really looked at it too closely.

Yeah, I meant the list as a whole. I mentioned a few things ping me, I might as well stop being coy.

Zyla: Hockey (71)

Zyla only voting on an early wagon pings me hard. To call it a wagon might be a stretch, though I do think Hockey was the one who got run up to e-1 in a big damn hurry very early in the day.

Haschel: Strange (50), Hockey (132)

Haschel had meta issues in the latter part of the "day" so I'm trying not to read too hard into this. However, upon return he joined in the hard sus on Strange and worked hard to make several reads .... but never voted.

Azeru: Cyrus (237), Strange (629)

These are also very easy votes to make at the time they were made.


Those are the main things that occur to me when I look at the voting.

[Pavowski]

I should clarify that I'm not necessarily saying I know what those things mean yet. I'm just saying these are things that make me go "hmm".

[Lukewarm]

Zyla: Hockey (71)

Zyla only voting on an early wagon pings me hard. To call it a wagon might be a stretch, though I do think Hockey was the one who got run up to e-1 in a big damn hurry very early in the day.

I agree that this one stands out, but she also makes it clear repeatedly throughout the day that she is suspicious of Hockey. If anything, I would say she was a bit tunneled on him, which I think is more likely to come from town? Like, wouldn't scum be trying to get a wagon to pass? And she stayed clear of the strange wagon both times it picked up steam

Haschel: Strange (50), Hockey (132)

Haschel had meta issues in the latter part of the "day" so I'm trying not to read too hard into this. However, upon return he joined in the hard sus on Strange and worked hard to make several reads .... but never voted.

You missed a vote from Haschel in 759 for Zyla.

I am not sure how to feel about Haschel atm. I was suspicious of how he handled Strange/Zyla EoD, but that suspicion was mainly tied to it looking like he might be trying to save strange, which makes less sense for a scum player to do now, knowing Strange's alignment.

Azeru: Cyrus (237), Strange (629)

These are also very easy votes to make at the time they were made.

I called Azeru out a during the first half of the day for basically this same thing. I thought they were a lot townier in the later parts of the day tho, and it is a little hard to fault him for thinking Strange was scummy. (I think the entire lobby scum read her, except maybe Cyrus.)

I will give him a second look later today.

[Pavowski]

Zyla: Hockey (71)

Zyla only voting on an early wagon pings me hard. To call it a wagon might be a stretch, though I do think Hockey was the one who got run up to e-1 in a big damn hurry very early in the day.

I agree that this one stands out, but she also makes it clear repeatedly throughout the day that she is suspicious of Hockey. If anything, I would say she was a bit tunneled on him, which I think is more likely to come from town? Like, wouldn't scum be trying to get a wagon to pass? And she stayed clear of the strange wagon both times it picked up steam

I dunno. I think it makes just as much sense for scum to steer clear of a wagon, if they think the wagon is going through regardless. (This is the same basis for my sus on Haschel.) Your point that she keeps pointing out her own sus on Hockey, though, seems to be more favorable to her.

Haschel: Strange (50), Hockey (132)

Haschel had meta issues in the latter part of the "day" so I'm trying not to read too hard into this. However, upon return he joined in the hard sus on Strange and worked hard to make several reads .... but never voted.

You missed a vote from Haschel in 759 for Zyla.

I am not sure how to feel about Haschel atm. I was suspicious of how he handled Strange/Zyla EoD, but that suspicion was mainly tied to it looking like he might be trying to save strange, which makes less sense for a scum player to do now, knowing Strange's alignment.

Thanks for pointing out my missed vote. I was getting a little fuzzy toward the end of this project.

I realize my little chart doesn't neatly include the EOD vote count, which was:

StrangeMatter (5): Pavowski, Azeru, Lukewarm, Save The Dragons, cyrus62
Save The Dragons (2): HockeyFan, StrangeMatter
HockeyFan (1): Zyla
Zyla (1): Haschel Cedricson

Not Voting (0): None.

So Zyla's on an island voting Hockeyfan, and Haschel's on an island voting Zyla. Given the points we've already made this morning, I find the Haschel vote more interesting.

[HockeyFan]

@Luke and @Pav, I know STD is your top scum rn, but who is your 2nd top scum atm?

[Pavowski]

@Luke and @Pav, I know STD is your top scum rn, but who is your 2nd top scum atm?

Difficult to say as there are still a lot of people we haven't heard (much) from here in d2.

In fact, now that I'm saying that, I kind of want to withhold putting another read out there *until* we have some more folks weigh in "today".

[Zyla]

Oh btw,

@HC

are you able to answer now what made you choose me over strange?

[Save The Dragons]

my bad i am here

i'm not super great at mechanics even simple ones like this so i'm probably going to shy away from discussing the pr situation to focus more on scum hunting

Like when he kept Strange at e-1, after I left the push, like he was hoping it would still go through without me

i voted strange because they were a scumread of mine. it had nothing to do with you. i already expressed an interest in hammering and when you left i decided to jump on because i believe i was still parked on haschel at the time and while i had doubts about haschel, it makes more sense for me to vote my scumread, no?

When that wagon stalled out, he jumped to the next push on Hockey

I don't remember the wagon stalling out, maybe it did, but i jumped on another scumread of mine.

And then he abandoned that wagon when lost steam, he went back to Strange - and his reasoning looks suspicious to me

again, i voted one of my documented scumreads in the post you quoted

He votes for strange because he "likes the wagon composition." Which is a weird reason to join a wagon imo. It is like he avoids saying she is scummy here because he knows she is getting ready to flip town. Like he is trying to absolve himself of the vote -- "I only voted that way because I trusted you guys **points at Azeru, Pav, and me**"

I voted strange because I thought they were scum, i made a comment that i liked the wagon composition. That's not my reasoning, that just made me feel better about voting strange because I was townreading all the people voting strange. now it seems unlikely that the three of you are town since scum probably pushed the strange wagon for a mislim.

There are other things that ping me in the votes, but this is my feeling right now.

what other things ping you

[Zyla]

D1 voting went as follows. Each player's votes are listed in order, the number in parentheses being the post in which they voted

Unvotes omitted because I am lazy. Hope I got everything else.

Draw your own conclusions

Votes for d1:
Zyla: Hockey (71)

I kind of want to explain this, since it's been brought up a couple of times.
My main three scumreads were HC, Hockey, and Strange. The times that I was most likely to change my votes, HC and Strange were at E-2 or E-1, so I stuck with my vote that I had to try and keep the day going. I could've voted the other of the two, but I felt that that would draw away from the current conversations, hence sticking with hockey.

[Pavowski]

@STD See 963 for my other pings.

[Pavowski]

He votes for strange because he "likes the wagon composition." Which is a weird reason to join a wagon imo. It is like he avoids saying she is scummy here because he knows she is getting ready to flip town. Like he is trying to absolve himself of the vote -- "I only voted that way because I trusted you guys **points at Azeru, Pav, and me**"

I voted strange because I thought they were scum, i made a comment that i liked the wagon composition. That's not my reasoning, that just made me feel better about voting strange because I was townreading all the people voting strange. now it seems unlikely that the three of you are town since scum probably pushed the strange wagon for a mislim.

Just to clarify, you townread the rest of us on that wagon before, but now you no longer do?

[Save The Dragons]

while possible, i think it's unlikely the wagon was all town. i need to refresh my reads, i'm not sure how i feel about anyone yet.