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[Dwlee99]

Dwlee99 but why does max make the list over T3?

T3 is an honorary member of the list

[Dwlee99]

Can we get a50 to just lock himself into a claim? Same with Bambi? I hate this fake claim bs, it is making it impossible to figure out the setup.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Bambi has fully claimed VT.

[Dwlee99]

Okay then we are just waiting on a50 to give us a serious answer. I still don't jive with the theory that nom targeted him because I can't figure out which scum team would choose to kill him there (except MAYBE a boxxy team but still a psychologist could just be left alive anyway). And I don't think boxxy is evil because he would have had to guess the setup or have been informed of a psychologist, which I don't think happens if the town power doesn't include the detective.

[humaneatingmonkey]

A50, Salsabil, and MaxTheFox.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I also don't think nom would target A50. Maybe boxxy, but not A50.

[Dwlee99]

HEM why do you think Bambi is scummy for trusting boxxy but you don't find me scummy for the same thing?

[Dwlee99]

Also what made you change your mind on who you think nom targeted? Am I misremembering when I think you said that you thought nom targeted a50?

[humaneatingmonkey]

i was going to note Bambi Jay's progression on boxxy, but I wanted to wait for him to answer.

you addressed the problems with boxxy's slot on D1, and believed boxxy on the basis of A50's claim being legit.
bambi jay only has expressions of confidence that boxxy is legit and town, to the point of scumhunting by association. ISO him.

this was the only post that addresses his boxxy read:

I'm the only one who read day 1 And townread him for it I guess. Maybe cuz I wasn't involved at all. I disagree with his check too but his reasoning makes sense. You all haven't really given him too much of a chance.

I personally like how sure he was here:

Trying to fake powertown duo was a bold strat I'll give you that. If Bambi didn't get lucky it might have even worked.

But this complete reversal from reckless wagon pushing to all caution "I don't trust bambi yet," without even acknowledging that its guaranteed scum kill over 2 days might as well be a scumclaim.

Frankly I think I tricked him enough to reveal his true personality and I townread that. It doesn't sound like an evil mastermind laughing. Sounds more like an Ex Girlfriend getting vindication.

if you can see, there's no real reason why he townreads it and his toneread differentiating 'evil mastermind' from 'vindicated ex girlfriend' isn't really a reason that would make me think he would be that confident about boxxy's alignment.

his other reason was that since this is the only investigative claim is probably true, because he is confident that Almost50 is bullshitting as town. I also can't see him already believing that prior to the massclaim.

plus, if he believes a50 is bullshitting, he doesn't have the same reason that we think boxxy is a likely PR — A50 saying that their roles are perfect together.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Also what made you change your mind on who you think nom targeted? Am I misremembering when I think you said that you thought nom targeted a50?

you said that he would not hide behind a slot that's likely to be an NK, and if town!Almost50 was likely to be an NK because of his claimed role, then he wouldn't have hid behind them. i think that makes sense.

boxxy raised the point that nom could have also hid behind his scumreads. his scumread on A50 was similar to mine — associative. he was thinking boxxy was scum first, so it could also be likely that nom hid there.

[humaneatingmonkey]

his other reason was that since this is the only investigative claim is probably true, because he is confident that Almost50 is bullshitting as town. I also can't see him already believing that prior to the massclaim.

EBWOP, I'll rephrase for better clarity.
His other reason was: Since this is the only investigative claim, it's probably true. He believed this because he was confident that Almost50 was bullshitting as town. Now, would he believe that boxxy was the only investigative claim prior to the massclaim? I don't think so, and he even said so. He said unless Salsabil would counterclaim. That doesn't seem that confident to me, as opposed to the confidence that he is displaying in his ISO. (I recommend you check and make your own conclusions.)

[Salsabil Faria]

Sigh. Well I know convincing Salsa is pointless.

Beg your pardon??? You want me to convince something that you yourself are not sure about. That's why I think we should focus on day play, not on post-flip assumptions.

Oh I'm sure. But my words don't convey what I want for you in particular to understand.

And how is Monkey even townie at all then? Antagonizing the PR all GameDay 1? Ready to do it day 2 as well but failed because me and Almost took preemptive action? Show me what he's done to be trusted enough he can't be townie after quick hammering our Bodyguard AFTER they claimed. Why is that not a scum move in your eyes?

I can understand where you are coming from, but

quickhammer

is not always a scum thing +

nomnomnom

also did the same things you mentioned, if he was still alive then I had suspicions about him. But one point which can be true for scum!

humaneatingmonkey

is, he kept parroting town

nomnomnom

and took him in a deep pocket. I need to check his iso for Day 1 to be sure again.

[Salsabil Faria]

Is it just me or does Kerset seem eager to shift attention elsewhere?

Do you remember how

cyrus62

was hard ignoring me? I'm getting the same vibe from

Kerset

here.

[humaneatingmonkey]

More on Bambi Jay's TMI later. I also think his read on A50 is too confident for what's reasonable. I wanted to wait because I think it could also be that he's town that he hasn't been challenged enough to clarify his thoughts. We rushed Day 1 and Day 2 after all.

[Salsabil Faria]

I don't think anyone is really taking Salsa's case on him seriously so not really.

It's not that the case isn't serious, it's that I don't find it convincing.

Yet you didn't say anything about it before

boxxy

asked.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Salsabil, I appreciated the case and it helped me get a better read on you. But what exactly are you accusing of Kerset in your case? Because I wasn't seeing the things that you were seeing in the posts that you linked. Maybe you can help me because I don't have a solid read of Kerset. He seems like he's solving the game, but I don't know if he's made any progress because he always seemed so lost without a strong opinion.

[Salsabil Faria]

I typed all this thinking I had something but now I forget what my point was...

It happens to me too

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsabil, I appreciated the case and it helped me get a better read on you. But what exactly are you accusing of Kerset in your case? Because I wasn't seeing the things that you were seeing in the posts that you linked. Maybe you can help me because I don't have a solid read of Kerset. He seems like he's solving the game, but I don't know if he's made any progress because he always seemed so lost without a strong opinion.

Ok I'll, but I'm catching up now so after that I can talk with you. Meantime, see

nomnomnom

's 134 and (if you can) recall how

cyrus62

kept ignoring me all the time based on only I question I asked him,

Kerset

is doing the same.
I obviously can be wrong as I don't know how he plays normally as any alignment, if you think I'm wrong you can tell me because I'm not tunneling here.

[Salsabil Faria]

I think it's likely scum targeted a TPR. I also think it's unlikely nom would protect me. Therefore the most likely situation is scum and nom targeted A50.

The other option is scum and nom both targeted some other random player. It's possible but seems less likely.

Yup, I'm thinking that too.

[Salsabil Faria]

Intent to hammer.

what is your case on sean?

The whole psych thing.

This guy shouldn't get this far in game. T3 is barely trying to do anything in this game and sneaks inside a wagon.
VOTE: T3

I should be locktowned after what happened yesterday.

I got seanzie fo townslip then I had something and forgot to unvote.

Explain please how you

should be

locktown in this scenario.

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsa has not killed anyone.

@Almost result?

Funny you should ask, cuz I did get a guilty on you.

I wanted to get you off my head for good, cuz everybody was SRing you, so I decided I'd put an end to it with -what I hoped was- a CLEAR, and instead I was given a GUILTY (Positive result = Can kill but has not attempted to).

WTF!! But you said your role makes sense with

boxxy

's!!!!
Tell me what exactly mod said to you, I don't understand the last line.

[Salsabil Faria]

Another thing, why

Almost50

is still alive with claiming an investigation role but

nomnomnom

was killed without claiming + crumbling anything??

@Almost50

.... this is for you mainly.

Obviously because I was HARD TOWNREADING boxxy and that's the ONLY slot I could have guiltied. With me defending boxxy and him living long enough to clear his p in a pool of 3 (assuming he lived today) which would put everyone's mind in doubt about WHICH of them 3 is the last Scum. You know..

If I had targeted just about ANYONE else I would have got a clear, which wouldn't really be worth anything because I could have hot the other Scum who has already killed, so I couldn't have told the difference.

The question is why is BOXXY still alive? The one role that

still can

produce a solid guilty. Unless you think nom protected boxxy (whom nom was so gung-ho on eliminating in the first place, and for TWO GAME DAYS RUNNING).

WAIT! That could mean non died protecting me?? If so, I owe them a BIG thanks. In fact, EVERYBODY does. I wouldn't have gotten my result posted if I had been swimming with the fishes already.

One last thing: I did come into the day intending to push Kerset, because of my own

crazy

methods (the 1 scum in first 3 posters rule). I am confident DWlee is TOWN, so it was between non & Kerset, and after yesterday I thought nom was more townie than not. I also applied the "3rd slot on a Town wagon" and -again- Kerset fits the bill. Good thing I did check my PMs before I posted (although in all honesty I think it's still Kerset along with boxxy)

The final straw was boxxy clearing Kerset today. Scum faking an inno on p usually do not have the gut to do it first, but with Seanzie already flipping it give more credence to boxxy's new result

Fine... after fully catching up, I'll do what I want to do.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Salsabil, I think it's not unreasonable to continue to push someone if you think they're being scummy especially a slot that hasn't been as vocal as we need them to be. Do what you gotta. I would also look at his slot as if he were town and things that wouldn't make sense to do if he was town if you're afraid of tunneling.

I forgot about T3 saying that he's locktowned after Seanzie's elim. That seemed super off when I read that.

[Salsabil Faria]

After hammering Seanzie, I realized how much of an irrational move that was. I should have waited for more days, but I got excited. Regardless, I was 100% convinced that he was fakeclaiming and I believed that he was the right elim for the day. It sucks that I'm wrong, but I'm willing to live with that.

No one is willing to take a closer look to any of my cases, which kind of an insult + demotivational

That said, I would like to address A50's guilty. Make no mistake, I went into Day 3 thinking boxxy was still the right elim. But I almost don't believe his guilty. boxxy, or whoever scum would be knowing that A50 is a psychologist, would have been able to use their common sense and kill Night 2 so they can avoid detection rather than wait until they are outted by a guilty. I just... think that's off.

Well, I don't think

nomnomnom

actually wanted to protect

boxxy

but

Almost50

, if this actually happened, then it's obvious that scum and bodyguard went for the same target. But these types of post-flip assumptions will make no good for the town but scum, we should focus on day play.

[Salsabil Faria]

I think Nom atleast would have enough sense to protect the more likely investigative, Kers.

Wait a bloody second! Kerset claimed?? Where/when did that happen?

Is it just me or does Kerset seem eager to shift attention elsewhere?

Really?? Shading the person you just cleared??????

Are you slipping intentionally??