Townstumps Mafia (Endgame)

[Mia and Maya Fey]

It makes sense for scum!Feys to now townread her as well

I can 100% prove this to be false. The implication here is that I didn’t start tr her until now when I was hard defending her on D2.

[Mia and Maya Fey]

Maybe not FMFT actually

Might be a scum in my townreads

But Titus is very likely to be scum here. I think her stance on NK15 has been that she doesn't want to bus but she will if it reaches that point

could we focus on nk15 as a flip there would add fire to who i think is scum..

UNVOTE:

...

Interesting.

i dont want a hammer till we know for sure. nm wants it bad that pings me

Nm would hammer his mother.

Also, I don't think we should do this. Hammering a commuter claim is garbage. We can just tell NK15 to not commute so we can investigate him. If he complies, we have an unkillable town slot. If he claims compulsive or refuses, then yeet his ass.

Titus is town.

I made this post on d2 and you’re implying pretty much the opposite of that.

[Moongrass]

Anything you can put into words about why you read Titus as town earlier in the game would be really helpful.

[Moongrass]

Oh nvm

[Moongrass]

Actually what made you say that at that point?

[Mia and Maya Fey]

Maybe not FMFT actually

Might be a scum in my townreads

But Titus is very likely to be scum here. I think her stance on NK15 has been that she doesn't want to bus but she will if it reaches that point

could we focus on nk15 as a flip there would add fire to who i think is scum..

UNVOTE:

...

Interesting.

i dont want a hammer till we know for sure. nm wants it bad that pings me

Nm would hammer his mother.

Also, I don't think we should do this. Hammering a commuter claim is garbage. We can just tell NK15 to not commute so we can investigate him. If he complies, we have an unkillable town slot. If he claims compulsive or refuses, then yeet his ass.

It isn’t scummy to think there could possibly be an invest in this game and that’s consistent with her thinking you had a real guilty on cyrus.

That doesn't read to me like "possibly".

Is it not possible that she genuinely believed the claim? Like I said, I could obviously be wrong about this but both this post and her saying jjh “knows” NK15 is town seem really weird to me if she did that as scum. It’s obviously possible it’s just wifom but it sounded sincere to me.

Another post. There is no way House can seriously think I suddenly switched my read on Titus. Not when I’ve made numerous posts that prove otherwise.

[Mia and Maya Fey]

Anything you can put into words about why you read Titus as town earlier in the game would be really helpful.

I thought her reaction to the NK15 wagon was townie. I made multiple posts during that time explaining why.

[House]

@nsg I think toDay would be a good time for you to bow out.

It may well be town's last chance at getting the bonus from you doing so

[Moongrass]

Just skimmed Titus' iso - I'm pretty sure that's where I'm voting today.

Could you guys please do the same and relook at her in isolation? Things look a bit different with the information available now.

[Mia and Maya Fey]

@nsg I think toDay would be a good time for you to bow out.

It may well be town's last chance at getting the bonus from you doing so

I have no words.

[Moongrass]

Is it a day action? If so that would be awesome.

[Moongrass]

Titus
mastina - scum lean
cyrus62, replacing KorVex - strong town lean
jjh927 - moderate scum lean
Mia and Maya Fey (NancyDrew/DKKoba Hydra) - null
Not_Mafia - null
DrippingGoofball - scum obv
northsidegal - guilty child
Free Money Free Tea - weak scum
House - weak town
NorwegianboyEE - the other guilty child
Moongrass - weak town
Gamma Emerald - town
nomnomnom - weak scum
Not Known 15 - null (wanting to see how wagons shake), would vote

Every person Titus scumread here has flipped or is confirmed town. I know nobody's reads are perfect but this is way off base for Titus. Her NK15 read is superweaksauce, hedging to see how it goes.

[Moongrass]

okay, i'm caught up.

{nsg, norwee, dgb}
{jjh}
{nancy, cyrus}
{moon, NM, mastina}
{gamma, house}
{nk15, FMFT, titus} - null
{nom}

hopefully i don't jinx us, but i feel decently confident that this game should be a town win.

Why do you have house so low on this list? I think I asked you before if he’s ever played exactly like this as scum because otherwise I don’t get it?

[Moongrass]

That post actually reads as not SvS House and Hydra.

[Mia and Maya Fey]

okay, i'm caught up.

{nsg, norwee, dgb}
{jjh}
{nancy, cyrus}
{moon, NM, mastina}
{gamma, house}
{nk15, FMFT, titus} - null
{nom}

hopefully i don't jinx us, but i feel decently confident that this game should be a town win.

Why do you have house so low on this list? I think I asked you before if he’s ever played exactly like this as scum because otherwise I don’t get it?

I did think he was town then but his saying that I’m suddenly now conveniently tr Titus was clearly false and when there’s literally multiple posts that debunk this, why wouldn’t I rethink that read?

[Moongrass]

Vote Count 1.05

jjh927 (4):

Mia and Maya Fey, Not_Mafia, Titus, cyrus62,

Not Known 15 (3):

mastina, jjh927, Moongrass,

Free Money Free Tea (2):

House, DrippingGoofball,

Moongrass (2):

nomnomnom, Not Known 15,

cyrus62 (1):

Gamma Emerald,

mastina (1):

Free Money Free Tea,

Mia and Maya Fey (0):

nomnomnom (0):

House (0):

Not_Mafia (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

Titus (0):

DrippingGoofball (0):

No Euphemization (0):

Not Voting (0):

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to euphemize and

7

to have no euphemization.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-06-17 17:00:00). At Deadline, currently No Euphemization will occur.

If hydra + titus then jjh could have been possible counter until the breakdown

[Moongrass]

House why'd you hammer cyrus early?

[Mia and Maya Fey]

That post actually reads as not SvS House and Hydra.

I’ve been trying to tell you the entire game that I’m not SvS with anyone.

[Moongrass]

That post actually reads as not SvS House and Hydra.

I’ve been trying to tell you the entire game that I’m not SvS with anyone.

I had a pretty strong gut reaction to you being scum when you first entered the game so did jjh, I think that counts for something. Then you spent most of Day 1 omgusing your initial wagon. I haven't actually seen you trying to solve the game, just an unexplained read here and there.

I know that when town nancy solves she's pretty darn good, so I'm not sure why you feel so lost most of the game.

[Mia and Maya Fey]

Continuing down with things I can address now;

I don't tend to consider "pocketed town" as something I hunt for. However, if there was any consideration there, there is no way that your defence of NK15 could be considered anything related to a pocket. No other scum have flipped yet and I focus on independent scumreads primarily rather than teams; it is just how this game has played out that I happen to be pushing a team angle at this point in time.

Not sure what point you're making with number 3. I do still think Mastina is still town but amusingly less so than in day 1 despite the inno from NM. If we're gonna talk about meta knowledge stuff, the players that know how to read me in this game are Mastina and NSG. I do not believe you can accurately read me. Nancy is a stretch because Nancy expects me to townread her from her first post and if I don't then she will just scumread me, but that's fine because it means she still doesn't know what I look for which gives me more confidence in my ability to read her.

Most of my read on House right now is based on how he basically went shopping for elims that weren't you and then settled on Moon today. It's fairly gestalt as a read in that sense.

I don't think Moon bussed NK15

Logical problem I see here. You call House shopping for an elim that isn't me as scummy and calling it a gestalt read. That sounds like a fancy way of saying that you're considering me scum when reading House. Why is House scummy for it but not the hydra? Both are townreading me very hard.

While I admit my past of reading you wrong, your fallacy of that others read you well so they're right is a fallacy. Those could very well be pocket attempts.

I do like the softening of the mastina read, despite the clear. Someone speculated NM could have a disloyal role. A jailkeeper would create a false innocent on that. The fact you are still hunting rather than accepting bumps my read up on you a bit.

It basically is a fancy way of saying that I am considering you as scum when reading house, but I am also considering Moon town. The Fey hydra is town completely independently.

NSG and Mastina know what my meta looks like. I'm not talking shit when I am saying this is exactly my classic townplay; NSG and Mastina are happy to take the bet that my scumplay has not jumped to the point where I can mimic this. If you want to make the argument that I am scum here, then the argument is not that I have managed to pocket NSG and Mastina- it is that I have managed to accurately mimic my active towngame over multiple day phases.

I am the person who speculated NM could have a disloyal role.

This was jjh’s most recent read on me.

[Mia and Maya Fey]

That post actually reads as not SvS House and Hydra.

I’ve been trying to tell you the entire game that I’m not SvS with anyone.

I had a pretty strong gut reaction to you being scum when you first entered the game so did jjh, I think that counts for something. Then you spent most of Day 1 omgusing your initial wagon. I haven't actually seen you trying to solve the game, just an unexplained read here and there.


I know that when town nancy solves she's pretty darn good, so I'm not sure why you feel so lost most of the game.

I have been lost in a lot of games actually. I’m not sure why you thought that about this one though. In the one I hydra’d with Shiro - some anime magical girls or something like that - I still couldn’t tell you what happened in that game.

I don’t feel I’ve been particularly lost in this game so I really don’t understand why you thought that?

[Moongrass]

Yeah, I put a great deal more into early reads before people, especially me, stray into the wilderness. But I did take into account jjh's later reads which is why I'm hesitant to say yes you're definitely scum buddies with Titus.

Let's say you're town and your strongest townread is Titus, that means you think I'm scum. Well I'm not, which means, like I said to house, that your read is bad or you're scum. So it would help me a lot of you could evaluate, Titus, house and me.

I'll do the same in the next day or so I'll go over my thoughts of everyone in more detail. It would be awesome if house and Titus could too.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Omgussing is something I typically do. Did you read my tm game? I was in a game recently but not under this account where I sr everyone who either sr or voted me and I received votes from every town player but one plus one of the scum. I wound up winning that game for town.

[Mia and Maya Fey]

Omgussing is something I typically do. Did you read my tm game? I was in a game recently but not under this account where I sr everyone who either sr or voted me and I received votes from every town player but one plus one of the scum. I wound up winning that game for town.

[Moongrass]

Well clearly you were wrong with jjh and omgusing didnt do anything beneficial for you here in terms of gaining reads.