yah I can empathize Hop, I wasn't able to fully convince myself it was Vanders up until he voted me first. The Bingle comment about hammering him was also a really well executed play
My biggest regret is D3 and eliminating marci, I should never have let go of my townread there
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
I feel like I shot myself (and the town) in the foot with how loudly and aggressively I directed all of my logic at hopkirk Day 2, without immediately realizing that the core of my logic applied to Vanders as well. The reason I did not realize that immediately, is because I really did back my self into that deduction. I started out shit posting end of Day 2, mainly just out of frustration of how stale the game had become. My frustrations were directed at hopkirk, so I directed my shit posting his direction. But mid shit post, I realized that it really did look like Bingle purposefully tanked himself, and convinced my self I had accidentally stumbled into the right answer.
Over night 2, I realized that the "bingle tanked himself" theory both made sense, and would work with either scum!Hopkirk or scum!Vanders, so I tried to bring that up both in the neighborhood chat night 2 AND the main thread Day 3. Which is why I tried to push Vanders out Day 3... but I made such a scene Day 2, that I think Hopkirk stopped giving my theory any weight.
@hopkirk, sorry I handled it that way. If I had come up with my theory, thought about it more (instead of stream of consciousness posting as I can to terms with the theory) and presented it as evidence against both of you, I think you might have held it against Vanders, we could have won this game.
They're super opinionated and make a lot of assumptions, they're also pretty clumsy with word choice - Bell
Luke, respect for your scumgame has gone up massively - Hectic
When I first started making that case again hopkirk, I was making a fake case out of frustration. Like all of that "active in another game." I started out making a case I really did not think was true, and was looking for fake evidence to back it up...
And while doing that, I had the thought "Bingle actually purposefully tanked himself there" and that like flipped a switch in my head
They're super opinionated and make a lot of assumptions, they're also pretty clumsy with word choice - Bell
Luke, respect for your scumgame has gone up massively - Hectic
They're super opinionated and make a lot of assumptions, they're also pretty clumsy with word choice - Bell
Luke, respect for your scumgame has gone up massively - Hectic
i don't think Bingle aimed to get himself exiled, just realized eventually there weren't enough townvotes for the hop!exile after the marci vote. that could have made sense with either scum GL or scum vanders though
the other game i was active in was as scum in lylo. it was quite funny to see you attacking me for having a different posting pattern to a scum game
In post 1307, Hopkirk wrote:i don't think Bingle aimed to get himself exiled, just realized eventually there weren't enough townvotes for the hop!exile after the marci vote. that could have made sense with either scum GL or scum vanders though
the other game i was active in was as scum in lylo. it was quite funny to see you attacking me for having a different posting pattern to a scum game
Yeah, I never believed the activity thing. That was the shit posting because of frustration over the stale game state
I did not mean that Bingle meant to tank himself from the get go. I think that he realized that his partner was getting too close to being the elim, and when he made the "i'll hammer vanders if we speed elim Hopkirk tomorrow" post, he was tanking himself to save his partner.
Day 2, I thought that was to save you.
Night 2, I posted in the neighborhood that he actually saved both you and Vanders with that post.
They're super opinionated and make a lot of assumptions, they're also pretty clumsy with word choice - Bell
Luke, respect for your scumgame has gone up massively - Hectic
They're super opinionated and make a lot of assumptions, they're also pretty clumsy with word choice - Bell
Luke, respect for your scumgame has gone up massively - Hectic
They're super opinionated and make a lot of assumptions, they're also pretty clumsy with word choice - Bell
Luke, respect for your scumgame has gone up massively - Hectic
Overall, I do feel like I let the town down. I tanked my credibility in the thread so hard that even when I finally got myself to the right answer (I was casing and voted Vanders all day Day 3) it did not matter anymore, because the town was no longer taking me seriously :/
They're super opinionated and make a lot of assumptions, they're also pretty clumsy with word choice - Bell
Luke, respect for your scumgame has gone up massively - Hectic
the worst part there is probably that I took your comments about GL having a bunch of reads that didn't sound genuine as my main takeaway from rereading your iso when I was looking through other people's thoughts when I was trying to work out if GL's reads sounded genuine rather than anything about vanders
They're super opinionated and make a lot of assumptions, they're also pretty clumsy with word choice - Bell
Luke, respect for your scumgame has gone up massively - Hectic
In post 1312, Hopkirk wrote:the worst part there is probably that I took your comments about GL having a bunch of reads that didn't sound genuine as my main takeaway from rereading your iso when I was looking through other people's thoughts when I was trying to work out if GL's reads sounded genuine rather than anything about vanders
I exclusively voted Vanders Day 3.
By the start of Day 3, in my head, it absolutely had to be between [vanders, hopkirk] and I wanted us to kill Vanders Day 3 so that both of you did not make it to elo.
They're super opinionated and make a lot of assumptions, they're also pretty clumsy with word choice - Bell
Luke, respect for your scumgame has gone up massively - Hectic
In post 1309, Lukewarm wrote:@Bingle - When you made that post, how did you expect the thread to respond to it?
My guess is that it was a very carefully calculated risk where he figured that I was very unlikely to actually get another vote, especially with that comment.
In post 1309, Lukewarm wrote:@Bingle - When you made that post, how did you expect the thread to respond to it?
My guess is that it was a very carefully calculated risk where he figured that I was very unlikely to actually get another vote, especially with that comment.
I am curious if he knew that Norwee and NotMafia both were going to react as if it was a scum claim, because that is how they both responded lol
They're super opinionated and make a lot of assumptions, they're also pretty clumsy with word choice - Bell
Luke, respect for your scumgame has gone up massively - Hectic
In post 1307, Hopkirk wrote:i don't think Bingle aimed to get himself exiled, just realized eventually there weren't enough townvotes for the hop!exile after the marci vote. that could have made sense with either scum GL or scum vanders though
I actually didn't want the hop exile either. The intention was always to shitpush you, shitpush vanders, and then pivot into a different elimination.
They're super opinionated and make a lot of assumptions, they're also pretty clumsy with word choice - Bell
Luke, respect for your scumgame has gone up massively - Hectic
Oh, we were always bussing me. That was literally a pregame plan. I'm disappointed I didn't get to make vander's job easier, but I wasn't supposed to endgame here.
I think this game is balanced and deserves to be considered for Approved status btw, but would like to see if anyone else has strong thoughts before bringing it to Isis. (Or rather, I'm bringing it to Isis and would like to give other people to voice their concerns should they wish to do so.)
