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[MaxTheFox]

I am re-reading Bambi's ISO and my TR on her is just... eroding. I don't know why I originally TRed her. Many of her other posts are either filler or scum.

So why did you say otherwise earlier?

A50 is scum trying to get away with blatantly changing claims to fit the situation.

Can you expound on this? How did scum!A50 use his claims and fake guilties/clears to fit his situation? I'm trying to get a read on this slot so you can help me with this one.

He didn't, he just jumped between several claims over the course of 3 days. I just don't see why town would make themself hard to read like that.

So why did you say otherwise earlier?

1. Because last time I didn't read as deep into Bambi.
2. I... didn't? By fitting the situtation I meant that he seemed to jump to a VT claim as soon as we started considering POEing invest claims.

[MaxTheFox]

I have some additional questions MaxTheFox

Max do you have more thoughtsTM? Have you caught up?

I was AFK for a while. But basically I skimmed the thread. Early Cyrus vs nomnomnom is TvT I think.

Maybe because I wasn't interacting with the thread early it's hard for me to form opinions.

Do you remember this post? Can you tell me what was in your head when you said it was TvT?

Well shit guess I was wrong about TR.

I think we should look for anyone bussing on the wagon on Cyrus before he died.

Do you also remember this post? Why did you think that scum bussed Cyrus, and why haven't you looked into the wagon yourself?

You are town because I don't really see scum with that playstyle. Maybe because I am new.

What about my playstyle makes you confident that I'm town?

1. Both reads were gut reads, I was wrong on cyrus but nomnomnom is null-slight-leaning-town for me at this point.
2. Why wouldn't mafia bus their teammate who slipped like that (I wasn't there for the slip)? And I will admit. I suck at things like that. I could try but my TR on Cyrus being wrong discouraged me.

[boxxy]

Pretty sure he finally claimed VT after most of the claims were in

[MaxTheFox]

Nomnomnom is dead, I'm an idiot.

[MaxTheFox]

Pretty sure he finally claimed VT after most of the claims were in

And before that he claimed two different invests.

[MaxTheFox]

Reads (anyone not mentioned is dead, reasons not mentioned are gut):

Town

Me (I know I am town)
humaneatingmonkey (solid town leader all game, I doubt scum)
Salsabil
boxxy (with A50 being scum or VT he is the only invest claim so despite making himself look sus I'd say he's mechanical town)

Townlean

Dwlee

Scumlean

T3
Kerset
Bambi (see my previous short analysis)

Scum

A50 (being jumpy as shit)

[humaneatingmonkey]

you had A50 cemented as scum. that's a lot of confidence. what's your case on him? can you tell me why his actions this game was something scum would do vs something town would do?

[boxxy]

I too would like to hear this

[boxxy]

@monkey can you explain calmly and early why you had me essentially locked scum day1 and day 2

[boxxy]

*clearly

[Kerset]

@EVERYONE: If I had ever intended to fake TPR as SCUM I would have gone the safe route and given a CLEAR on someone. It's not that hard is it? Novice.. only have to give a result on D3, do have enough time to make sure that theoretical 1-shot Vig already used their shot too. EVERYONE GIVES ME A CLEAR would've been my cover.

Other than that, I checked HEM and got a clear (reminder: my clears are NOT AT ALL clears, and HEM himself outlined why that is).

Lol

[MaxTheFox]

You are town because I don't really see scum with that playstyle. Maybe because I am new.

What about my playstyle makes you confident that I'm town?

Missed this. I honestly don't really know. It's gut.

you had A50 cemented as scum. that's a lot of confidence. what's your case on him? can you tell me why his actions this game was something scum would do vs something town would do?

My case on him is that:
1. Him becoming much more active after Cyrus's death seems like a scum picking up the slack after a buddy died.
2. I don't see town being so jumpy with claims.
3. I generally don't like his tone.

Each one by themselves would just be a scumlean at most.

[Salsabil Faria]

I'm not feeling motivated for anything atm due to some hard stuffs irl, I don't want to do detailed posts or give arguments about anything rn, not feeling it tbh. I do complete the catch-ups and decide to go with my gut again.

UNVOTE: Bambi Jay

VOTE: Almost50

MaxTheFox

can be scum if one of (or both)

Almost50

and

Bambi Jay

will flip town. Same goes for

Kerset

,

Dwlee99

,

humaneatingmonkey

and

T3

.

[humaneatingmonkey]

@monkey can you explain calmly and early why you had me essentially locked scum day1 and day 2

@boxxy

A. bad progression
A1. focusing on anti-town elims instead of scumreads (even though you make a fuss about "noise on scumhunting")
A2. calling me scum and pushing for my elimination for garbage posting and then giving me a townlean for more garbage posts
A3. recanting that you thought i was scum and were actually pushing for my elimination
A4. calling Seanzie dishonest (shading) and then voting nomnomnom for anti-town scumhunting methods
A5. voting nomnomnom for anti-town scumhunting methods (as she pushes for cyrus), instead of cyrus (who nomnomnom pushes) who you actually scumread

B. bad reaction to pressure
B1. dismisses my push by painting me as stupid
B2. claims an investigative role that vaguely gives any clearance to slots
B3. unable to explain what a detective is
B4. TMIs that I'm town in the statement "your trash play cost us the game"
B5. goes straight to AtE and basically gives up trying to solve the game
B6. dismisses my posts as "filler"

C. roleclaim
C1. still alive in N1
C2. checked Seanzie, his townread, but not nomnomnom or HEM or anyone else who he still suspected

D. mechanical
D1. flip will confirm Salsabil
D2. eliminate wifom
D3. gives a lot of associative reads

The reason why I slowed down today and I want to get an in-depth read of every slot is that there's a very good chance that you're still scum here and I want to have the freedom to eliminate you Day 4. But that means I have to nail scum today. I'm treating this day as MELO. I think I have 33% if not 66% chance of doing that with {Max The Fox, Almost50, and Bambi Jay}.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm not feeling motivated for anything atm due to some hard stuffs irl, I don't want to do detailed posts or give arguments about anything rn, not feeling it tbh. I do complete the catch-ups and decide to go with my gut again.

UNVOTE: Bambi Jay

VOTE: Almost50

MaxTheFox

can be scum if one of (or both)

Almost50

and

Bambi Jay

will flip town. Same goes for

Kerset

,

Dwlee99

,

humaneatingmonkey

and

T3

.

That's okay. We're consuming the entire day.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Max The Fox, I'll be honest with you. I'm not impressed with your reads. They all seem fake—weak at best—but your full vindication that Almost50 is scum and that I'm town makes me not believe that there's actually a player behind your posts that's trying hard to solve this game. Is this the best you can do?

[humaneatingmonkey]

MaxTheFox can be scum if one of (or both) Almost50 and Bambi Jay will flip town. Same goes for Kerset, Dwlee99, humaneatingmonkey and T3.

Salsabil, what is this?

[Kerset]

Max The Fox, I'll be honest with you. I'm not impressed with your reads. They all seem fake—weak at best—but your full vindication that Almost50 is scum and that I'm town makes me not believe that there's actually a player behind your posts that's trying hard to solve this game. Is this the best you can do?

And T3 still gave none.

[humaneatingmonkey]

And T3 still gave none.

I townread him. What are you gonna do about it? If you want to change minds, you have a lot of time to do so.

[humaneatingmonkey]

T3... I'm nervous about T3 tbh. I have never played with him as scum. Lukewarm, in our recent game, has said that scum!T3 posts and pushes with more obvious agenda. In this game, I don't know if I can call any move that T3 has done to be scum agenda. Although I don't know how valuable that meta is anymore if T3 already knows about it. But I think, if we were to commit to boxxy being town, T3 would have been less likely to unvote in the way that he has when boxxy claimed if he was scum.

Debunk this

[Kerset]

I don't see how anyone can make a towntell out of nothing, which is T3 ISO.

[Kerset]

T3... I'm nervous about T3 tbh. I have never played with him as scum. Lukewarm, in our recent game, has said that scum!T3 posts and pushes with more obvious agenda. In this game, I don't know if I can call any move that T3 has done to be scum agenda. Although I don't know how valuable that meta is anymore if T3 already knows about it. But I think, if we were to commit to boxxy being town, T3 would have been less likely to unvote in the way that he has when boxxy claimed if he was scum.

Debunk this

Hmm last time he keep voting scummates

[T3]

What makes me pause with A50 is that he hard tiownread boxxy as son as the claim happened. But now I realize while writing this post that could have just been to pocket him. VOTE: almost50

[MaxTheFox]

Is this the best you can do?

Yes. I'm sorry but I'm new. This is my best attept at solving.

[MaxTheFox]

Either boxxy is town, there's mod WIFOM with no invests in the setup, or an invest is fakeclaiming VT right now.