Townstumps Mafia (Endgame)

[Gamma Emerald]

@gamma where would you vote right now if you had to?

Probably House given his play atp feels a bit like he’s hammersitting
Like he seems to forget part of doing well in endgame scenarios is the “convincing people your reads are right” part, which isn’t atrocious, but he feels a bit too passive at this point for even that

Dude wtf is even won't with you?

How can I possibly be hammer sitting when I'm the only person in the game with a vote on anyone?

I don’t recall you voting anyone yet?

[Jingle]

Vote Count 4.02

Mia and Maya Fey (1):

House,

House (0):

Titus (0):

Moongrass (0):

mastina (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

No Euphemization (0):

Not Voting (5):

, Titus, Moongrass, Gamma Emerald, mastina, Mia and Maya Fey

With 6 alive, it takes

4

to euphemize and

3

to have no euphemization.

The deadline for Day 4 is in (expired on 2021-07-01 01:00:00). At Deadline, currently No Euphemization will occur.

[Gamma Emerald]

thanks Jingle

[Gamma Emerald]

oh I know exactly how I missed that vote, that was when my data was shit

[Titus]

I am still backseating today for mental health, but hammer sitting is a meaningless argument as votes here are not locked, like on other sites.

[Titus]

Anyway, I still think it's House plus Moongrass with a VERY UNLIKELY chance of mastina/moongrass. The only reasons I consider mastina are

1) scum had a role to stop the commuter, we don't see one for the hider.
2) mastina has terrible reads that would be perfect for a moongrass/mastina team.

I don't really like it, unless scum figured out not mafia was a hider before I did. A lot of the crumbs I got came after mastina was cleared. They may not have needed to know not mafia was a hider specifically but an investigative role of somesort. I think it's possible but unlikely. Plus my early reads were terrible and mastina has been an early read.

Given I feel Maya and Gamma are town, my preferred elimination now is moongrass given my moonlogic scenario.

I'd like someone to tell me my mental health makes me crazy on mastina with reasons why.

[Mia and Maya Fey]

Anyway, I still think it's House plus Moongrass with a VERY UNLIKELY chance of mastina/moongrass. The only reasons I consider mastina are

1) scum had a role to stop the commuter, we don't see one for the hider.
2) mastina has terrible reads that would be perfect for a moongrass/mastina team.

I don't really like it, unless scum figured out not mafia was a hider before I did. A lot of the crumbs I got came after mastina was cleared. They may not have needed to know not mafia was a hider specifically but an investigative role of somesort. I think it's possible but unlikely. Plus my early reads were terrible and mastina has been an early read.

Given I feel Maya and Gamma are town, my preferred elimination now is moongrass given my moonlogic scenario.

I'd like someone to tell me my mental health makes me crazy on mastina with reasons why.

why do you see moongrass scum here?

[Titus]

If mastina is town, it's PoE. I feel you're town. Gamma's town. That leaves House and Moongrass.

If mastina's scum, it's not with House given her posting. You're town. Gamma's town. That leaves Moongrass.

Moongrass's opening on me was pretty scummy too.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Given I feel Maya and Gamma are town, my preferred elimination now is moongrass given my moonlogic scenario.

Why vote Moon instead of House today if you claim to scumread both?

[Titus]

Given I feel Maya and Gamma are town, my preferred elimination now is moongrass given my moonlogic scenario.

Why vote Moon instead of House today if you claim to scumread both?

In the two scenarios I have, Moon is scum in both. House would be a compromise I wouldn't mind. Mastina would be an unlikely compromise and something that needs to be vetted thoroughly.

[Moongrass]

Because then she'd have to go through another day of evading lim. I change my mind again after Koba's insanity.

[Moongrass]

Whatever Titus, your whole approach to me today is scummy. You don't question the town reads on you and keep tunneling me when I've been objectively trying to assess you as town. Town are paranoid enough that they might be wrong, but you just keep paying lip service to paranoia, it's not real because you're scum.

[Titus]

Wow. That's a fast 180 full of lies.

[Moongrass]

That all you got? "Wow" "full of lies"
*eye roll*

[Titus]

Also, Nancy saying that DGB kill could still implicate scum Titus is a really weird thing for a town player to do. The usual approach to someone you're townreading in Lylo as town is to observe or defend them from the obvious scum pushes, not shut down reasons your strong townread could be town.

Say hydra thinks I'm scum, they're town, why are they going out of their way to keep me scumreading Titus? That tells me the hydra knows I'm town and can't afford Titus/me to townread each other.

Whatever Titus, your whole approach to me today is scummy. You don't question the town reads on you and keep tunneling me when I've been objectively trying to assess you as town. Town are paranoid enough that they might be wrong, but you just keep paying lip service to paranoia, it's not real because you're scum.

[Titus]

That all you got? "Wow" "full of lies"
*eye roll*

Yes. It is full of lies. I went through the analysis of people townreading me and came to the conclusion that if either is fake, it is House. You completely act as if that analysis never happened and handwaive it. So full of lies is accurate

[Moongrass]

Guess what Titus, that's what town do in lylo, they evaluate every angle so they don't throw the game.

They're not all blah blah reads don't change, push same agenda.

[Titus]

Guess what Titus, that's what town do in lylo, they evaluate every angle so they don't throw the game.

They're not all blah blah reads don't change, push same agenda.

Right. Yours are too fast to be organic. Mia pushes against you, she's scum. I push against you, then I am scum. House you have as scum. He's been pushing on you for days.

Meanwhile, you ignore my analysis and changing reads.

[Titus]

Do you think there's a chance mastina is scum Moon?

[Mia and Maya Fey]

We had this discussion earlier - but its extremely unlikely because of the lack of a kill on the night NM targeted Mastina.

I'm willing to lose to a scum mastina who made that mech play because it is so absurdly complex that the night actions spew her town unless a doc exists, but likliest scum tried to shoot NM.

I'm starting to tinfoil Gamma more but like I mentioned earlier I haven't really seen anything that is notable when I catch them out as scum - They're active and playing and not being overtly aggressive. But like I just can't really justify townreading them beyond the supposed "mech clear" and the lack of said behavior.

Basically House/Gamma is what I'm looking at atm.

[Mia and Maya Fey]

I think moongrass' involvement in that discussion to flip us over is strictly town motivated.

[Moongrass]

Where has your read changed on me Titus? I've been at the bottom of your poe all day so I don't see it. Being open to seeing me as town but continuing to say I'm the most scummy is just rubbish posting to appear town.

[Titus]

I forgot about the no kill the night mastina was checked. That makes it much less likely to be mastina. I knew I was forgetting something, which is why I asked for my work to be checked.

[Titus]

Where has your read changed on me Titus? I've been at the bottom of your poe all day so I don't see it. Being open to seeing me as town but continuing to say I'm the most scummy is just rubbish posting to appear town.

This again is townread me or you're scum, which is the whole of your posting today.

I went through the VCA analysis and play analysis and came to a conclusion. I need new evidence to change it, and I don't see it.

[Moongrass]

I think mastina is town. I think Gamma is town. Because as I said the NKA shows that scum only tried to kill NM after he cleared Gamma, when they shot him directly he cleared mastina. If they were JKing NM they wouldn't have tried to shoot him, unless they no killed but that's beyond moonlogic.