Townstumps Mafia (Endgame)

[Titus]

Just ftr, I’m not saying that’s the case but to be 100% locked into to the actual team is bad. And he’s insisting that Moon and us are 100% the team.

I feel being locked onto the team is bad too. That doesn't mean I can't see bad play happening.

Arguably there's enough bad play to go around here (except for you/Gamma) if town.

If I was in house's place, I would seriously consider a moon/mastina team if he resets his read on you.

[House]

There is a slight non-zero possibility that the clears could potentially have been messed with

Wrong.

Hider procs before JK/roleblocker type roles.

As scum, it serves your win con to undermine town clears.

[House]

If I was in house's place, I would seriously consider a moon/mastina team if he resets his read on you.

I have zero problems with a Moon lim.

I don't care which one of them goes first.

Nobody has given me a viable theory as to why NM's results could have been tampered with.

[Titus]

Here let's resolve this.

Mod: Can a hider be jailkept or roleblocked if such roles exist?

[Titus]

There is a slight non-zero possibility that the clears could potentially have been messed with

Wrong.

Hider procs before JK/roleblocker type roles.

As scum, it serves your win con to undermine town clears.

I disagree with this analysis but the wiki is unclear.

[House]

Here let's resolve this.

Mod: Can a hider be jailkept or roleblocked if such roles exist?

I've been Hider & played with Hiders.

Actions directly on the Hider ALWAYS failed because they were not at home to be targeted.

So if Jingle treats it differently, it's news to me.

The only possible way that I can even think of to tamper with NM would be a role stopper targeting his target? Maybe? I'm not even sure about that.

[Jingle]

Mod: Can a hider be jailkept or roleblocked if such roles exist?

Explicitly the normal version of the role hider can be both Jailkept and roleblocked, and this is the version of the role used for Not_Mafia. I cannot confirm nor deny whether any variant hiders were used in the creation of the scumteam.

"The Normal version of the Hider is one of the simplest: the Hider, when they use their ability, cannot be killed by actions targeted at them; however, if their target dies as a result of an active killing action (e.g. a factional kill or Vigilante shot), the Hider will also die."

No actions other than killing actions fail against the normal version of hider.

[mastina]

Mia and Maya Fey are obviously town.

I'm not AS sure of this but I am seeing more and more town in them, so I see where this is coming from and overall find myself agreeing.

I also am seeing Moongrass as town here.

There's also another contributing factor.

If either Mia and Maya Fey or Moongrass were scum, all they would need to do to win the game is to sheep me. Insist it is Titus+House, case them, commit to that being the pair, and be on my side, be my ally, try to sway me to their side. If either of them were scum they could just have done that and had a huge chance of winning, by winning over the other (Moongrass calling Mia and Maya Fey would be disproportionately effective because Nancy in particular is a sucker for townreading players who townread her; to a lesser extent, Mia and Maya Fey townreading Moongrass would likely win Moongrass over), and by having me on their side. Me + the other = guarantee of 3 votes at their disposal, and if Gamma backed me or them, that's 4. Enough to get an elimination through.

...Instead?

...Instead, Mia and Maya Fey and Moongrass are showing quite a lot of paranoia towards each other. This pretty much rules out them being scum-scum for sure, but also vastly increases the odds BOTH are town here.

[House]

Oh shit.

Yeah, that changes my whole world.

[House]

UNVOTE:

[House]

Sorry, I'm just so used to this implementation:

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/da ... role=Hider

[House]

I can easily buy into the theory that N_M was jailed/blocked because he was targeting scum, and 2-ferred the next night when he targeted town.

That world makes a lot of sense.

[House]

SEE?

TITUS IS F@#&$ING TOWN!

[Titus]

If either Mia and Maya Fey or Moongrass were scum, all they would need to do to win the game is to sheep me.

This is incorrect. Scum need two townies to misvote. Moongrass sheeping you would not result in a scum win.

You would get moongrass (scum) house (scum) and you (town) in that scenario.

[House]

I'm gonna laugh my ass off if we find out in post-game that NM targeted and false cleared both members of the scum team.

It's not an impossible scenario, either. Gamma has been reading me extremely weirdly and I'm trying really hard to write it off to my extended absence and lower intensity townplay.

[House]

If either Mia and Maya Fey or Moongrass were scum, all they would need to do to win the game is to sheep me.

This is incorrect. Scum need two townies to misvote. Moongrass sheeping you would not result in a scum win.

You would get moongrass (scum) house (scum) and you (town) in that scenario.

That scenario is literally impossible.

[Titus]

The odds of Gamma being a fake clear are much slimmer than mastina. NM is a known troll. I don't see scum deducing he actually was a PR.

[Titus]

House, aside from Gamma scum, do you see a scenario where Moongrass is town?

[House]

The odds of Gamma being a fake clear are much slimmer than mastina. NM is a known troll. I don't see scum deducing he actually was a PR.

I agree that it's much less likely.

That's why I'll find it hilarious in post-game if that's actually what happened.

It's not outside the realm of possibility, though. I advocated for the role pre-game and suspected that's what he was on d1.

Not something I'm willing to bet the farm on, though.

[mastina]

The odds of Gamma being a fake clear are much slimmer than mastina. NM is a known troll. I don't see scum deducing he actually was a PR.

Btw I can shut down the line of paranoia thought with one sentence proving that I am conftown here but I am deliberately refraining from doing so just to see who buys into the paranoia and tries selling it as a potentially legit thing.

[House]

House, aside from Gamma scum, do you see a scenario where Moongrass is town?

It would pretty much require my lolscenario to be right.

I was townreading the Fey's, that never changed. They only entered my limpool via PoE. It was extremely frustrating to be at odds with my own logic, but I was writing it off to a bad read.

[House]

The odds of Gamma being a fake clear are much slimmer than mastina. NM is a known troll. I don't see scum deducing he actually was a PR.

Btw I can shut down the line of paranoia thought with one sentence proving that I am conftown here but I am deliberately refraining from doing so just to see who buys into the paranoia and tries selling it as a potentially legit thing.

That would be me.

I own every post I've made.

[Mia and Maya Fey]

The odds of Gamma being a fake clear are much slimmer than mastina. NM is a known troll. I don't see scum deducing he actually was a PR.

Btw I can shut down the line of paranoia thought with one sentence proving that I am conftown here but I am deliberately refraining from doing so just to see who buys into the paranoia and tries selling it as a potentially legit thing.

How do you feel about gamma?

[Mia and Maya Fey]

lmao fuck it
VOTE: gamma

I'm townreading the rest and want to get the hard lim over with

[Mia and Maya Fey]

i don't buy that house townread us than suddenly we're in poe without considering a misclear off the hider