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[ssbm_Kyouko]

I've only played with Nancy once (it was a Pooky Nora Nancy hydra) and I was Paranoid that they were bussing scum come late game.
I was wrong though and they flipped town.

Outside of that, I have no experience that I at least remember.

I had a sneaking suspicion Noraa was bussing in my last game with her, and she turned out to be town. I have the same sneaking suspicion here, though I was more confident in Noraa town than I am in this hydra at present.

I dont think flea would have doctored me if fae had won it so I'll just assume it was a setup of some kind

I thought Flea bid on cop?

I didn't get this impression, but it seems like there are several references to Flea bidding on cop as I was catching up. Did fae crumb it or something and I didn't notice?

While I'm at it I'll vote VFP. I feel like as the default candidate in a slow game working on plurality like this it's easy for as little as 1 scum to make town!Kitty go through easily.

I also like misty better than smoke/Imaginality at this point, and still am harboring suspicion about VFP's heal votes for MO early game.

VOTE: VFP

This puts him to 2, not sure what happens in a tie in plurality

You surmised a reality that Kitty was town, how does their scumflip affect your reads?

125+300 is 425. I think cyrus is here as scum to buy something for 425

I'm failing to see the leap of logic where Cyrus bids 425, did you mention it in a previous post?

Thanks for the unlock boss.

I enhanced 1-shot BP and the three 2-shots that were rolled. I did not enhance the 1-shot AD, was going to enhance that for tomorrow's auction

Were there any roles you weren't going to entertain boosting at all?

1. My assessment of the situation yesterday was that scum was taking advantage of plurality and the eminent deadline to squeeze through a lynch on a lurking townie that would give no info to town. Because of that I was interested in eliminating just about anyone else, and when I saw Misty, who I was lightly townleaning, vote VFP, a player I was scumleaning so close to deadline, I saw opportunity. I tried to get Gamma onto VFP and luckily he did not swap as Kitty ended up being scum. My reads on the players on the wagon are similar to yours, mastina's, VFP's: I think most likely they are all town. There is potential one player on the wagon was bussing, but I am not convinced and if there is a busser there, it is not Distance. To be clear I am not trying to say you mastina and VFP all feel exactly the same as I do re: that wagon, just that I think my thoughts on it are similar to yours.

2. Cyrus admitted to bidding 125 on each of the 4 roles, and the midday auction provided evidence to corroborate that. I was suspicious as to why he was hanging around so close to deadline when he seemed to not be invested in changing the current MO or Elim wagons. The only reason left to be around at deadline, imo, was to bid at the deadline. However, Cyrus' money should have already been spent if he were town. This lead me to believe he could plausibly be scum waiting to spend his remaining 300 dogecoin on increasing one of his bids. 125+300 =425, so to outbid scum!cyrus I had to spend 426. I went back and forth trying to decide whether to buy roleblock or hitman and decided that if I could get hitman it would be best. It would force scum to deal with the doctor WIFOM or to outbid town on doctor which is a big cash sink for them. This is why I claimed for the doctor my exact bid so they would have the info necessary to decide if they wanted to doc me or protect me via wifom and either save a shot last night, or doc someone else. I also felt that by buying hitman it would increase the value of the doctor and the BP I Enhanced for my successor. Unfortunately BP is the one role I enhanced that did not make it, but it turned out to not matter because I am still alive.

3. off the top of my head, dayvig, hitman, godfather, ninja. Dont remember the other scum roles if there are any. I initially was going to send in 2-shot tracker instead of 2-shot gravedigger but again thought gravedigger would be very helpful for sorting out potential fakeclaims in the upcoming days.

If I had to take a blind guess of blind guesses, it'd be VFP + Cupcake Butterfly but I've got literally zero logic for this.

VOTE: VFP

HEAL: Smoke and Mirrors

I believe MO is permanent once it has been decided D1 or?

You must've had an instinct to place Marci and Cyrus as town, if not a VFP/Me team. How?

MO is permanent until I die but I can name my replacement in my PT at any point up until my death, so if people want to express support for my successor I will take it into consideration. No promises I'll change it though.

[Gamma Emerald]

DON'T SAY YOUR GUESS NOW. JUST KNOW.
ALSO I'M TERRIBLE AT KEEPING THINGS HIDDEN HEHEHEHEHE

Oh if that's the case.

VOTE: Cupcake Butterfly

I don't think this is the toucan's towngame.

I don’t think you’re right about this one.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

oh nice that was a pagetop. I'll be back in about an hour for any followups. I meant to note in my last post re: the red flip that Flea's flip I think was more helpful than Kitty tbh. I was convinced fae was either scum or the scum-driven candidate but after fae died last night I can put that ghost to rest rather than wasting time chasing it around in my head.

[Gamma Emerald]

@CB, you having Gamma in your PoE really worries me because you are not a noob, so how could you not know that Alisae is not only decent at playing scum, e’s one of the few people who actually love playing it?

If it weren’t for that Misty vote, I might be inclined to think Flea kill was a frame up.

I’ll wait for CB’s response but with knowledge of her main it’s gonna be telling

[ssbm_Kyouko]

3. off the top of my head, dayvig, hitman, godfather, ninja. Dont remember the other scum roles if there are any. I initially was going to send in 2-shot tracker instead of 2-shot gravedigger but again thought gravedigger would be very helpful for sorting out potential fakeclaims in the upcoming days.

And decided watcher over tracker because a watcher can keep an eye on the MO and see if any kills come their way - a way for me to be "protected" even if I can't afford to buy BP

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Vfp is e-1 btw:

Cyrus, mastina, s&m, distance, marci, by my count

[VFP]

No one should be claiming what they did and didn't get.

We haven’t yet but why not?

Because if town wins anything from day 1 it just shows who has it, and who has spent money...

And yes, people have already said.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Not sure if a majority before deadline results in elim or if it's only plurality st deadline

[VFP]

I was about to take credit for making scum crumble!
Then I realised my vote didn't go through.

Gylyx doesn't do a VC on a flip normally I think.

VOTE: MistyxVOTE:

I also don't think Marci is scum here.

Hmmm . . .

@VFP I would think that if your alleged vote on Kitty didn’t actually go through, you would have either made it a point of correctly voting Misty or clarifying that it wasn’t a real vote but a placeholder. It would be an extremely strange vote even if it was real but this makes me think, you’re trying to convince us that you really did vote for Kitty when you didn’t.

They replaced so I was waiting.
But was has Kitty got to do with me voing Misty?

[VFP]

VOTE: VFP

I think you’re right and the fake vote on Misty looks extremely sus to me, especially after claiming his Kitty vote didn’t go through.

No, I was talking about my vote on Misty, not Kitty...

[VFP]

ive never played with flea before im pretty sure
if i was scum vfp would be dead tho

i like the vfp vote
VOTE: vfp

Why would I be dead?

[VFP]

So I'm E1 because scum do what they do every game and call me town.
I agree I didn't get on to action but I even went against Kitty for calling me town for the reasoning was obviously faked.

[Gypyx]

votecount 2.1

Gamma Emerald (0)
mastina (0)
Smoke and Mirrors (0)
Cupcake Butterfly (0)
ssbm_Kyouko (0)
Mistyx (0)
cyrus62 (0)
imaginality (0)
marcistar (0)
Distance (0)
VFP (5) - Mastina - Distance - Smoke And Mirrors - marcistar - Cyrus62

not voting (6) - Everyone else

day 2 ends in (expired on 2021-06-26 10:38:57)

auction

the auctioned abilities are :

1-shot Aution Detective

2-shot Auction Detective

2-shot Gravedigger

2-shot Watcher

[Smoke and Mirrors]

I was about to take credit for making scum crumble!
Then I realised my vote didn't go through.

Gylyx doesn't do a VC on a flip normally I think.

VOTE: MistyxVOTE:

I also don't think Marci is scum here.

Hmmm . . .

@VFP I would think that if your alleged vote on Kitty didn’t actually go through, you would have either made it a point of correctly voting Misty or clarifying that it wasn’t a real vote but a placeholder. It would be an extremely strange vote even if it was real but this makes me think, you’re trying to convince us that you really did vote for Kitty when you didn’t.

They replaced so I was waiting.
But was has Kitty got to do with me voing Misty?

VOTE: VFP

I think you’re right and the fake vote on Misty looks extremely sus to me, especially after claiming his Kitty vote didn’t go through.

No, I was talking about my vote on Misty, not Kitty...

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12761020

For some reason this doesn’t show up correctly any other way but it’s clear from Happy Face that you know how to use vote tags, so if your vote on Kitty really didn’t go through, why didn’t you just use vote tags?

I just checked and if you use vote tags it actually shows up as a vote. It just seemed like you made a fake vote on Misty to maybe make it look like you made one on Kitty but there is no post where you voted him and if you had actually used vote tags, your vote on Misty would be showing up. So I just would think you would check your vote on Misty to make sure it actually registered. It’s not a good vote regardless since Misty repped out and hadn’t done anything scummy prior to replacing out.

However, I would have unvoted if you just decided to fix our explain it but I just accused you of making a fake vote and instead of addressing that, you just talk about Kitty.

If someone said that to me, I’d ask them why they said it and either fix or explain my vote but you completely didn’t address it. Why not?

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Gylyx doesn't do a VC on a flip normally I think.

VOTE: MistyxVOTE:

I also don't think Marci is scum here.

VOTE: voteVOTE:

vs.

VOTE: vote

See the difference? I used a capital and a lowercase v like you did, then actual vote tags.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Vfp is e-1 btw:

Cyrus, mastina, s&m, distance, marci, by my count

While I'm at it I'll vote VFP. I feel like as the default candidate in a slow game working on plurality like this it's easy for as little as 1 scum to make town!Kitty go through easily.

I also like misty better than smoke/Imaginality at this point, and still am harboring suspicion about VFP's heal votes for MO early game.

VOTE: VFP

This puts him to 2, not sure what happens in a tie in plurality

You tried to stop the Kitty wagon and are not interested in voting VFP today. Interesting.

UNVOTE:

Since he’s at E-1 I’m going to wait a bit. I’m not really a fan of Kyuku trying to stop the Kitty wagon and seemingly suddenly having no interest in voting VFP today.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

While I'm at it I'll vote VFP. I feel like as the default candidate in a slow game working on plurality like this it's easy for as little as 1 scum to make town!Kitty go through easily.

I also like misty better than smoke/Imaginality at this point, and still am harboring suspicion about VFP's heal votes for MO early game.

VOTE: VFP

This puts him to 2, not sure what happens in a tie in plurality

Oh nm I think I was looking at VFP's tally in MO not in VC

I think S&M hydra is probably confirmed town now right?

I was actually curious if anyone has seen Nancy Drew bus before, wanted to take a look at that possibility (I think that was all the Nancy Drew head)

I've only played with Nancy once (it was a Pooky Nora Nancy hydra) and I was Paranoid that they were bussing scum come late game.
I was wrong though and they flipped town.

Outside of that, I have no experience that I at least remember.

I had a sneaking suspicion Noraa was bussing in my last game with her, and she turned out to be town. I have the same sneaking suspicion here, though I was more confident in Noraa town than I am in this hydra at present.

I dont think flea would have doctored me if fae had won it so I'll just assume it was a setup of some kind

I thought Flea bid on cop?

I didn't get this impression, but it seems like there are several references to Flea bidding on cop as I was catching up. Did fae crumb it or something and I didn't notice?

While I'm at it I'll vote VFP. I feel like as the default candidate in a slow game working on plurality like this it's easy for as little as 1 scum to make town!Kitty go through easily.

I also like misty better than smoke/Imaginality at this point, and still am harboring suspicion about VFP's heal votes for MO early game.

VOTE: VFP

This puts him to 2, not sure what happens in a tie in plurality

You surmised a reality that Kitty was town, how does their scumflip affect your reads?

125+300 is 425. I think cyrus is here as scum to buy something for 425

I'm failing to see the leap of logic where Cyrus bids 425, did you mention it in a previous post?

Thanks for the unlock boss.

I enhanced 1-shot BP and the three 2-shots that were rolled. I did not enhance the 1-shot AD, was going to enhance that for tomorrow's auction

Were there any roles you weren't going to entertain boosting at all?

1. My assessment of the situation yesterday was that scum was taking advantage of plurality and the eminent deadline to squeeze through a lynch on a lurking townie that would give no info to town. Because of that I was interested in eliminating just about anyone else, and when I saw Misty, who I was lightly townleaning, vote VFP, a player I was scumleaning so close to deadline, I saw opportunity. I tried to get Gamma onto VFP and luckily he did not swap as Kitty ended up being scum. My reads on the players on the wagon are similar to yours, mastina's, VFP's: I think most likely they are all town. There is potential one player on the wagon was bussing, but I am not convinced and if there is a busser there, it is not Distance. To be clear I am not trying to say you mastina and VFP all feel exactly the same as I do re: that wagon, just that I think my thoughts on it are similar to yours.

2. Cyrus admitted to bidding 125 on each of the 4 roles, and the midday auction provided evidence to corroborate that. I was suspicious as to why he was hanging around so close to deadline when he seemed to not be invested in changing the current MO or Elim wagons. The only reason left to be around at deadline, imo, was to bid at the deadline. However, Cyrus' money should have already been spent if he were town. This lead me to believe he could plausibly be scum waiting to spend his remaining 300 dogecoin on increasing one of his bids. 125+300 =425, so to outbid scum!cyrus I had to spend 426. I went back and forth trying to decide whether to buy roleblock or hitman and decided that if I could get hitman it would be best. It would force scum to deal with the doctor WIFOM or to outbid town on doctor which is a big cash sink for them. This is why I claimed for the doctor my exact bid so they would have the info necessary to decide if they wanted to doc me or protect me via wifom and either save a shot last night, or doc someone else. I also felt that by buying hitman it would increase the value of the doctor and the BP I Enhanced for my successor. Unfortunately BP is the one role I enhanced that did not make it, but it turned out to not matter because I am still alive.

3. off the top of my head, dayvig, hitman, godfather, ninja. Dont remember the other scum roles if there are any. I initially was going to send in 2-shot tracker instead of 2-shot gravedigger but again thought gravedigger would be very helpful for sorting out potential fakeclaims in the upcoming days.

If I had to take a blind guess of blind guesses, it'd be VFP + Cupcake Butterfly but I've got literally zero logic for this.

VOTE: VFP

HEAL: Smoke and Mirrors

I believe MO is permanent once it has been decided D1 or?

You must've had an instinct to place Marci and Cyrus as town, if not a VFP/Me team. How?

MO is permanent until I die but I can name my replacement in my PT at any point up until my death, so if people want to express support for my successor I will take it into consideration. No promises I'll change it though.

I find this shade on my slot very strange considering I actually caught scum and you tried to save them.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Could the team actually be Kitty/VFP/Kyuku?

Or is VFP a miselim?

Fascinating that Kyuku completely lost her sr on VFP today and shaded me for catching scum.

[VFP]

I don't get the argument?
Because I mis typed while on phone I'm lying about making a vote?

To make it clear, I did not vote Kitty and I'm not saying I attempted to.

I am saying I missed 1 character from the Misty vote.
I'm not sure what the scum benefit to show my interest of voting Misty while not is there.
I can be scum in your PoV, but let's not pretend that me missing "/" is alignment indicated in anyway possible.

I also think I self vote at E1 there with hope that lack of bids go through as scum?

[Smoke and Mirrors]

I don't get the argument?
Because I mis typed while on phone I'm lying about making a vote?

To make it clear, I did not vote Kitty and I'm not saying I attempted to.

I am saying I missed 1 character from the Misty vote.
I'm not sure what the scum benefit to show my interest of voting Misty while not is there.
I can be scum in your PoV, but let's not pretend that me missing "/" is alignment indicated in anyway possible.

I also think I self vote at E1 there with hope that lack of bids go through as scum?

I unvoted because I don’t trust flash wagons on principle and Kyuku shading me is very strange and why did she vote you instead of Kitty and suddenly express no interest in voting you today?

And she was clearly hoping to get you elimed > Kitty but suddenly her sr on you completely vanished. Something is really off about that.

VOTE: Kyuku

I’m not tr you but Kyyuku is pinging me, so not yet sure where my vote will go.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Searching a replcament for Mistyx

kinda busy rn, but i'll edit it an EoD VC when i can, sorry for the trouble

votecount 2.1

Gamma Emerald (0)
mastina (0)
Smoke and Mirrors (0)
Cupcake Butterfly (0)
ssbm_Kyouko (0)
Mistyx (0)
cyrus62 (0)
imaginality (0)
marcistar (0)
Distance (0)
VFP (5) - Mastina - Distance - Smoke And Mirrors - marcistar - Cyrus62

not voting (6) - Everyone else

day 2 ends in (expired on 2021-06-26 10:38:57)

auction

the auctioned abilities are :

1-shot Aution Detective

2-shot Auction Detective

2-shot Gravedigger

2-shot Watcher

@mod, I thought Misty replaced out. Why is her name still on this list?

[Gamma Emerald]

Could the team actually be Kitty/VFP/Kyuku?

Or is VFP a miselim?

Fascinating that Kyuku completely lost her sr on VFP today and shaded me for catching scum.

I definitely feel like VFP is a misyeet
What do you think of Kyouko’s picks?

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s not “Kyuku” btw
Having watched enough subbed anime I can state it’s like “kyoh-koh”
He made a joke referencing a character with that name earlier this game iirc (which I believe is not the chosen namesake)

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Could the team actually be Kitty/VFP/Kyuku?

Or is VFP a miselim?

Fascinating that Kyuku completely lost her sr on VFP today and shaded me for catching scum.

I definitely feel like VFP is a misyeet
What do you think of Kyouko’s picks?

If you’re referring to any mech stuff I really wish I could talk to Pooky. That’s why I signed up as a hydra.

If you’re referring to play, I’ve already said what I think.

I didn’t like that the VFP wagon built up that fast and why does scum kill Flea? If Kitty really did get cop, then it really doesn’t make a lot of sense.

[Distance]

what if i
metadive marci