micro 1017 is over party

[Rhyme and Reason]

and I mean, I guess if it's there I'll take it...

~Rhyme

[T3]

Oof.

I'm making an effort to play against my town playstyle this game lol

[skitter30]

Like ig i was just kinda thinking that all involved parties (you, me, ss) would know that this probably wouldnt be such a successful approach, so i wasnt sure why you would do it in the firsf place as scum

And if u were trying to mimic ur scumgame it felt different than how it usually did beyond when i first called you out on it, it was more subtle, you're usually a lot more blatant abt it

I wasnf having a great night last night and was kinda exhausted, i probably would have pushed harder abt it on a different night and figured it could wait a fay or two until i could string words together again

I dont really have strong thoughts on t3. He feels a bit shallow but i think he often does. I think the fact that he's active + trying is loosely + town tho but its not a strong read and not one i want to commit to rn
Pedit maybe this isnt a good reason to townread him then ...
Idk

[Datisi]

maybe the phrasing of "unconcerned with how you were seen" is poorly put, but the idea that I was trying to get across was that you didn't seem like you cared how people read you /beyond how it affected your ability to prosecute your own reads or to what extent it helped you to get a read on them/

okay uhh i'm not sure i vibe with this part. like, i'm pretty sure i made multiple posts in my notes that were like "oh god oh fuck if cakez flips red, everyone is gonna think i'm his partner oh shit" so again i'm not quite getting how you're coming to this conclusion about my levels of concern for my own life in that game?

i feel like i am struggling to respond to the rest. it's obviously true that i'm trying to form my own reads here (because that's what we're here for, no) but "the way i am perceived" is always kinda my first priority, mostly bc it's (imho) town!me's strongest asset. so like, i feel like your last paragraph is ~wrong~ regardless of your alignment - i kinda know this is all in my head, so it's much more clear to me than to the rest of the table, and that maybe i don't necessarily always give off that vibe of self-preservation, but also i feel like you should know better and i'm worried this is a walkback bc you see i'm not going down that easy and adslfdgjkj

[Retti]

I was waiting for bugspray to do...

something

before passing judgment of any sort, but 223 is fairly convincing, the play here is night and day compared to the linked game and does seem much more similar to the scumgames he references.

they did provide some reasoning with their votes/actions, but it was really shallow, and basically night and day to the towngame i linked earlier.

Okay, I swear I wrote the above before reading you write this >_>

Felt like that was an attempt to join in on the suspicion on bugspray but the thought process here does not feel believable or organic.

how did you get here? like, t3 tried to add to suspicion on bugs, but as soon as someone said that they disagree with t3, he just... agrees and calls that person townie?

That...was what I had a problem with? Like, the moment Toogeloo contradicted him he just turned around and agreed with him instead, but the problem is the thought process for the original read didn't feel especially believable. Town!t3 has no problem with naked voting and underexplained reads so him voting someone for exhibiting that behavior doesn't really add up. Turning around and changing his mind while calling toog town felt a bit more like a maneuver to cover his ass on a read that wasn't really going to be defensible.


But this was with the consideration that bugspray might just be LHF last night, and I'm feeling less confident in that conclusion already, sooo....

[Retti]

Felt like that was an attempt to join in on the suspicion on bugspray but the thought process here does not feel believable or organic.

First, the only suspicious (I might have forgot something) on bugspray was skitter, who I scumread for suspecting bugspray. Second, when Tog disagreed with me I agreed with him and my scumread on bugspray vanished.

i was/am also scumreading bugs though i'm not sure if my post about that came before or after

what do you think about my reasoning for scumreading them? also do you like. even *have* any reads.

Yes, I have reads. I think your reasons for scumread bugspray make sense.

But...you...agreed with what toogeloo said earlier?

[Datisi]

I townread skitter. I initially scumread her because of the bugspray RVS thing but once that cleared up she swems towny by meta. I recently played an open with her and she scumread hectic by vibes but wasn't able to put it at anything stronger than that. She was town. That's what she's doing here.

As for the hydra their posting is throwing me off but I definitely didn't like the "trust me" post.

From what Datisi is saying about bugsprays naked voting it seems like it isn't AI for bugspray. I haven't seen any of their towngames so I'm not sure on bugspray.

As for the hydra their posting is throwing me off but I definitely didn't like the "trust me" post

okay how is it throwing you off and why didn't you like the trust me post?

~Rhyme

I'm honestly not sure, your tone feels a little bit weird to me.

The trust me post I didn't like for reasons Datisi outlined but your response made sense so I think you're town.

i don't really like/get this progression. in the first post, the explanation about the hydra seems to be completely negative, but in the next post, he's saying how he actually thinks they're town because he liked mena's explanation? like it seems like he's changed his mind on RaR between those few posts but there's kinda no indication that he was ~thinking~ about their alignment

also t3, how did you get the "from what datisi's saying, it looks like naked voting isn't ai for bugspray"? like, i was saying how them voting but providing none/poor/shallow reasoning is *very* ai...

[Datisi]

also the above post reminds me - is 239 like "i agree with your bugspray read" or "i think you're town for it" or a comical third option, because later on in 244 you said you think it's not ai for bugs so i am kinda in general confused what your stances are here

[Retti]

Oof.

I'm making an effort to play against my town playstyle this game lol

Mmm, does scum ever admit they're...trying...to play like scum? I would guess probably not, I would expect some sort of excuse but not couched in this exact reasoning.

UNVOTE:

[Retti]

Feeling very good about Datisi being town, the persistence in poking at RaR for their reasoning in 225 (as well as toogeloo in 231) where I would expect scum would be more inclined to just let the read on them sit as is and accept the trust, overall feel his approach and the questions he's been asking have been Good.

[Datisi]

i think i'm sorta putting skitter as ~paranoid but most likely town~ and leaving her there for an amount of time until i decide otherwise. there is a small voice in the back of my head that skitt's approach was slightly off, mostly due to the fact that she admits to it in 252 as it kinda gives me the vibe of "yeah, it was off" scum admitting their own play is off. *however* (1) i did not notice any scum-agenda-driving posts from skitter that i remember seeing once when she was scum (though this is obviously with a grain of salt bc i do not trust myself at all to consistently read scum!skitt correctly) and her reads/reasnings outside of the above have all felt Fine and Reasonable. (2) and also i think in every town game we've had so far, i've consistently had the uneasy-gut "what if this is scum!skitter" feeling, and at this point i'm wondering if that feeling should be taken as a sign that skitt is town, considering i did not have it in most (if not all, don't remember atm) of her scumgames

[Retti]

Consider my vote spiritually on bugspray right now, but I don't want to E-1 this early in the day

[Datisi]

Felt like that was an attempt to join in on the suspicion on bugspray but the thought process here does not feel believable or organic.

how did you get here? like, t3 tried to add to suspicion on bugs, but as soon as someone said that they disagree with t3, he just... agrees and calls that person townie?

That...was what I had a problem with? Like, the moment Toogeloo contradicted him he just turned around and agreed with him instead, but the problem is the thought process for the original read didn't feel especially believable. Town!t3 has no problem with naked voting and underexplained reads so him voting someone for exhibiting that behavior doesn't really add up. Turning around and changing his mind while calling toog town felt a bit more like a maneuver to cover his ass on a read that wasn't really going to be defensible.


But this was with the consideration that bugspray might just be LHF last night, and I'm feeling less confident in that conclusion already, sooo....

/shrug, to me it felt like you were suspicious of t3 because he was trying to pile on the suspicion on bugspray, but deciding against it at the first sign of a struggle defeats the whole point of "piling on suspicion" - so i didn't get how you came to that conclusion when to me it seemed like, if t3 had really been trying to do that, he was doing it in the most counterproductive way possible. but i think your explanation makes sense - i don't have much (or any, really) exp with t3 so if that's what you were focused on, i get it now

also i was about to ask "if you townread me and like my reasoning and think bugs could be scum, why aren't you voting there" so thanks for answering that in advance i guess? i'm feeling decently confident in this vote (and i know the main lolhammerer probably wouldn't lolhammer themselves) so i wouldn't mind a y-1 right now but i don't care enough to actually argue about it

[Retti]

i think i'm sorta putting skitter as ~paranoid but most likely town~ and leaving her there for an amount of time until i decide otherwise. there is a small voice in the back of my head that skitt's approach was slightly off, mostly due to the fact that she admits to it in 252 as it kinda gives me the vibe of "yeah, it was off" scum admitting their own play is off. *however* (1) i did not notice any scum-agenda-driving posts from skitter that i remember seeing once when she was scum (though this is obviously with a grain of salt bc i do not trust myself at all to consistently read scum!skitt correctly) and her reads/reasnings outside of the above have all felt Fine and Reasonable. (2) and also i think in every town game we've had so far, i've consistently had the uneasy-gut "what if this is scum!skitter" feeling, and at this point i'm wondering if that feeling should be taken as a sign that skitt is town, considering i did not have it in most (if not all, don't remember atm) of her scumgames

I'm feeling cautiously optimistic that this game might just be...

easy

, which I know is a foolish thing to conclude not even 24 hours into day 1, but I feel reasonably good about the most active people so far, the way you've sort of danced around each other feels like the routine players with a degree of history between each other go through when they both roll town. This could be one of those games where town has all the energy early and scum just aren't able to keep up at all. My wild confidence could eventually be swallowed by the Pit of Paranoia and Despair, but for now? I'm feeling it.

[Retti]

/shrug, to me it felt like you were suspicious of t3 because he was trying to pile on the suspicion on bugspray, but deciding against it at the first sign of a struggle defeats the whole point of "piling on suspicion" - so i didn't get how you came to that conclusion when to me it seemed like, if t3 had really been trying to do that, he was doing it in the most counterproductive way possible. but i think your explanation makes sense - i don't have much (or any, really) exp with t3 so if that's what you were focused on, i get it now

It was a lot easier for me to read him when I was scum when I could just write him off and go "oh yeah, whatever, maybe town" and let other people suspect him. Now it's like, I find myself very confused by a lot of what he says and it leaves me scratching my head? Anyway, I don't have a scum!T3 model in my head, but at the time it just felt like he was retreating from a read he realized wasn't tenable. But on further reflection I can see him reacting that way in a T3!town world where he realizes his read wasn't good. Despite a lot of his progressions so far being strange and incomprehensible to me I figure him admitting he's trying to play like his scum game is probably townie.

[pob long]

^

Agree

[pob long]

I dont like the way RR talks to Dasti and skitter.im not saying RR is'nt doing anything useful because they ask questions to lots of other people which look like normal townie questions, but when they talk to Skitter and Dasti it feels like ther not trying to work together or even to really truley find out if Skitter and Dasti are scum, as much as it looks like ther focussing on to make sure they dont get suspected and everything is fine and normal.

how do you believe anything in post 242 after RR was making ''im scum' memes on Page 5? those dont add up i think.

[pob long]

if RR is the scum I think t3 is townie and RR wants to slowly make them a possible eliminition but not in an obvious scum way because it would be obvious.

[pob long]

Like ig i was just kinda thinking that all involved parties (you, me, ss) would know that this probably wouldnt be such a successful approach, so i wasnt sure why you would do it in the firsf place as scum

???????? if RR is scum they are pobably lying about that you know

[pob long]

bugspray is way scummy too. TiRJLs did'nt post any townie things. t3 is wired.

[pob long]

I tried to ask what my potions do, and schladd told me 'Suck on a lemon pob long'. I would never! too sour.

[skitter30]

Like ig i was just kinda thinking that all involved parties (you, me, ss) would know that this probably wouldnt be such a successful approach, so i wasnt sure why you would do it in the firsf place as scum

???????? if RR is scum they are pobably lying about that you know

I kinda dont think he cooks up this whole gambit as scum given that he knows that this is one of the vectors i use to read him ... he wouldnt be *trying* to trip off my suspicions here i think

[Rhyme and Reason]

The trust me post I didn't like for reasons Datisi outlined

You didn't like it because Datisi reads Menalque based on how Menalque is reading him? How did you know that?

-Reason

[Rhyme and Reason]

how do you believe anything in post 242 after RR was making ''im scum' memes on Page 5? those dont add up i think.

What do the memes have to do with anything? They're obviously jokes.

-Reason

[schadd_]

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