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[Kerset]

why people (HEM the call maker) suspect me but don't talk about dwlee at all.

lol i'm the only one defending you as town. also, D3 wasn't my call at all. if it were, we would have elimmed between Bambi Jay and MaxTheFox.

i mean your call for opinions about me which lead to suspect claims but you don't do that with dwlee

Do you scumread

Dwlee99

?

no but i also didn't see their IC reveal

[Dwlee99]

Never elim:
Salsa unless CC
Monkey

Townlean?:
Kerset (this is a phenomenon called sheeping a monkey, I also like her tonally today)

Scum in here:
Max
T3

[Salsabil Faria]

[humaneatingmonkey]

Dwlee is town because there's no angle that he's the scum. This is reinforced by his tone and the lack of associative reads between Cyrus or Bambi. He also has a solid display of solving that lacks an agenda. Otherwise, show us.

[Dwlee99]

Jesus. Please make sure T3 checks in first.

I'm not voting anyone atm. You can unvote ig.

Only person that would prematurely hammer here is Max which is a scum claim anyway.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Only person that would prematurely hammer here is Max which is a scum claim anyway.

[Salsabil Faria]

why people (HEM the call maker) suspect me but don't talk about dwlee at all.

lol i'm the only one defending you as town. also, D3 wasn't my call at all. if it were, we would have elimmed between Bambi Jay and MaxTheFox.

i mean your call for opinions about me which lead to suspect claims but you don't do that with dwlee

Do you scumread

Dwlee99

?

no but i also didn't see their IC reveal

IC??

[Dwlee99]

Only person that would prematurely hammer here is Max which is a scum claim anyway.

?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I will prematurely hammer her 90% if she reaches E-1. The 10% is the rational voice saying "Maybe you should wait for T3"

[Kerset]

IC??

Innocent Child. It is a role which can ask mod to be confirmed as town.

[Dwlee99]

I will prematurely hammer her 90% if she reaches E-1. The 10% is the rational voice saying "Maybe you should wait for T3"

Oh I thought you were already on the wagon and we were at E-1, please wait. I don't want to deal with a mechanical 50/50 in ELO like last time.

[Salsabil Faria]

IC??

Innocent Child. It is a role which can ask mod to be confirmed as town.

How do you know we can have an IC here?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Salsabil, sometimes when two people love each other very much, they engage in irony and sarcasm.

[Salsabil Faria]

Who are you talking about?

[Kerset]

author expected that no one will read it and made it in unusable from

MaxTheFox

Motivation + Progression

TL;DR MaxTheFox lacks the vibe that she's solving the game, and not just appearing to solve the game. All the reads MaxTheFox are based on gut and it's impossible to differentiate that with bullshitting. Gut-based players exist, and they can be town. But what's special about MaxTheFox is: She can't explain how she got her gut reads. And when she quotes posts and cites examples, she does not make sense at all.

• Not interacting with the posts of players and including them in her considerations.
• When she gives reads of people, it's really selective and there's a lack of effort in sorting every slot — as town would.

• She suggested looking in Cyrus' wagon for bussers, but didn't actually try herself. She said it's because she was discouraged when she was wrong about cyrus being town — I don't think town are easily discouraged by being wrong.

• In #1046, MaxTheFox said boxxy's recent posts reeked of scum but boxxy hasn't really posted since #973... In addition, boxxy's posting since #880 was fine and didn't have anything about them that was scummy.

• In #1472, MaxTheFox said that Bambi is town because she seems helpful, providing reads, helping solve the game, and most importantly it doesn't seem forced. She got this from her ISO and particularly #1351, based on "intuition". Read it. It was not really a post that anyone would townread.
• In #1646, MaxThe Fox actually deepdives Bambi Jay's ISO — proving that she really didn't read the ISO the first time and that she was just bullshitting.
• In #1646, MaxTheFox scumreads Bambi Jay for having me as her top scumread. This is TMI. How is she so sure that I'm town? Her read on me was that she doesn't think town would have this playstyle. That's not a very confident read.
• In #1646, MaxTheFox just quotes random Bambi Jay posts and calls it scum with no explanation and calls it gut. But she only has her on "scumlean".

• Meanwhile, her Almost50 case is on a strong cemented confident scumread for (a) tone, (b) being active, (c) being jumpy as shit.
• In #1472, MaxTheFox said A50 was almost silent Day 1, but suddenly became more active when Cyrus was hanged. She interprets this as a partner picking up the slack after their partner dies. Problem is: It's not actually accurate. A50 was loud in his catch-up on Day 1.
• She answers all my questions except #1642, where I asked "How did scum!A50 use his claims and fake guilties/clears to fit his situation?" Because she can't answer that.

Associative

MaxTheFox has positive partner interactions with both Cyrus and Bambi Jay.

• In 523, MaxTheFox blurts out an unexplained Cyrus townreaad on a gutread.
• In 1362, Bambi Jay puts HEM, Salsa, Dwlee on her elimpool. Mentions that her Salsa and Dwlee scumread also applies to MaxTheFox, but she makes an exception that "she got screwed by the fast day".
• In 1369, Bambi Jay remarks: "That's alot of sudden Max support from me reminding y'all she exists." This reads like a "Hey woah, slow down!"
• In1407, Bambi Jay does a perspective slip when she forgets that MaxTheFox hasn't claimed yet and can still claim detective.
• In 1511, Bambi Jay poorly explains the slip and demonstrates TMI when he explains that he assumes MaxTheFox is VT because "she clearly isn't invested enough" — even though she already mentioned that MaxTheFox could have been just screwed.
• In 1546, Bambi Jay defends against a MaxTheFox lynch by remarking that her mislynch could put us in ELo — like she's appealing that we reconsider.
• Bambi Jay hammers Almost50, but not MaxTheFox.

Emotional

• At #1472, MaxTheFox gets flustered when she said she was VT and said "she's probably gonna die" even though she wasn't in the chopping block and that we were just massclaiming. She said she felt nervous because pressure was building on her. It was, but she reacted in way that's more likely for caught scum to react.

Bonus

• At #1498, MaxTheFox scumslips when she said "My town playstyle didn't form yet, really." She is speaking in past tense, and doesn't have the POV that she's town in the present.

here is version with links

[humaneatingmonkey]

Thank you Kerset. You're now a co-author.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I am re-reading Bambi's ISO and my TR on her is just... eroding. I don't know why I originally TRed her. Many of her other posts are either filler or scum.

So why did you say otherwise earlier?

A50 is scum trying to get away with blatantly changing claims to fit the situation.

Can you expound on this? How did scum!A50 use his claims and fake guilties/clears to fit his situation? I'm trying to get a read on this slot so you can help me with this one.

He didn't, he just jumped between several claims over the course of 3 days. I just don't see why town would make themself hard to read like that.

So why did you say otherwise earlier?

1. Because last time I didn't read as deep into Bambi.
2. I... didn't? By fitting the situtation I meant that he seemed to jump to a VT claim as soon as we started considering POEing invest claims.

This is pretty important too.

[T3]

ello

[T3]

Whatever prs anyone claims I'm a vt.

[Kerset]

ok we can end the day
VOTE: T3

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: T3

[T3]

WHAT?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I kinda agree with this. We won't get anything out of T3 in ELo. MaxTheFox would be more useful.

[T3]

I.... why?-

[humaneatingmonkey]

Unless you want to townspew today, you're toast.