micro 1017 is over party

[Rhyme and Reason]

i remember having come to the conclusion that skitter is best treated as scum until proven otherwise.

this is um

the opposite of a good idea

~Rhyme

[Rhyme and Reason]

I know that whenever I say this the game is normally cursed, but I sort of feel like this is easy?

yeeteth the bugspray, then just yeet T3, trjis, and toogs in that order

~Rhyme

[skitter30]

I'm not really clearing her, kinda more wondering why scum-her would choose this avenue

Dats: yeah like i said i think its consensus- y but i'm ok with that cuz i feel like i reached this point organically and i think the consensus is right
Idk why tris is doing what she's doing but it doesnt feel town to me

[Rhyme and Reason]

Maybe its just bugspray/tris

doubtful, that would require tris having a deep misperception of the gamestate imo

T3 more likely

~Rhyme

[Rhyme and Reason]

yeh I don't think she's scum really, I just think that if it's not T3 then it's probably her or toogs

guess I should reexamine whether or not pob long's read on us is bs or not but S_S thinks there's a reason that slot is towny from the entrance

~Rhyme

[Rhyme and Reason]

I think dats is going to be annoying this game, but kind of understandably given that what I want to do with him as town here is identical to what I'd be trying to do as scum

~Rhyme

[Rhyme and Reason]

yo date can u confirm that bugs just completely checking the fuck out of the game is +scum specifically rather than it being something that just happens regardless of alignment when they're under pressure?

~Rhyme

[Rhyme and Reason]

dats*

[Rhyme and Reason]

@skitt feelings on toogs?

~Rhyme

[Rhyme and Reason]

maybe the phrasing of "unconcerned with how you were seen" is poorly put, but the idea that I was trying to get across was that you didn't seem like you cared how people read you /beyond how it affected your ability to prosecute your own reads or to what extent it helped you to get a read on them/

okay uhh i'm not sure i vibe with this part. like, i'm pretty sure i made multiple posts in my notes that were like "oh god oh fuck if cakez flips red, everyone is gonna think i'm his partner oh shit" so again i'm not quite getting how you're coming to this conclusion about my levels of concern for my own life in that game?

i feel like i am struggling to respond to the rest. it's obviously true that i'm trying to form my own reads here (because that's what we're here for, no) but "the way i am perceived" is always kinda my first priority, mostly bc it's (imho) town!me's strongest asset. so like, i feel like your last paragraph is ~wrong~ regardless of your alignment - i kinda know this is all in my head, so it's much more clear to me than to the rest of the table, and that maybe i don't necessarily always give off that vibe of self-preservation, but also i feel like you should know better and i'm worried this is a walkback bc you see i'm not going down that easy and adslfdgjkj

first para: I'm talking more about how you presented in thread than how you presented in ur notes. I imagine that your like, standard paranoia and neuroticism is probably flowing there (still think u should just do that in main thread btw, as it makes you very town when you do, but I imagine it makes playing scum harder so)

second para: I don't really know what you're getting at? like not sure if we're talking past each other a bit. I think that when you're scum your concern with perceptions of you is more directly related to who is a threat to you/trying to understand how the gamestate is so you can manipulate it while PRETENDING to use it to generate reads. when you're town I think it's more about figuring out whether reads on you are in good faith or are pocket attempts, and that this goes more in conjunction with what's happening here. like eh, if we flip a load of town then yes, I probably need to reconsider if you're faking all the paranoia and this is a Datisi Big Brain(tm) play to pocket me but for now I'm kinda just happy to call you town lol

~Rhyme

[Rhyme and Reason]

also, dats, I know you want me to townspew but like... I'm realising that increasingly only happens when I feel pressure which I don't this game

feel quite happy with how things are going, don't feel like our slot is under any threat, so the desire to be here and like try super hard just isn't present

main thing is just wanting to get the bugs flip done so we can see if it's right or not and roll from there

~Rhyme

[Rhyme and Reason]

I really don't think bugs/tris is a thing...

~Rhyme

[Datisi]

I think dats is going to be annoying this game, but kind of understandably given that what I want to do with him as town here is identical to what I'd be trying to do as scum

~Rhyme

i think a post like this is not necessarily scum!indicative for you, but like, it's not helping. (also, "annyoing", really?) what is it that you ~want to do with me~ here, and also uhh, any reason you're still kinda avoidant of my earlier questioning?

yo dats can u confirm that bugs just completely checking the fuck out of the game is +scum specifically rather than it being something that just happens regardless of alignment when they're under pressure?

~Rhyme

negative. while i do recall a game where scum!bugs just like, fucked off from (miccro 960), there were a few games i modded with town!bugspray where they got in, made a few posts, then stopped posting / repped out. to my memory though, that happened in the coalition setup, where they joined in "trying to break the setup" then repped out when they didn't like the setup or something? while to my memory their posting there was different (they weren't trying to look towny/solvy, were doing their thing about setup cracking), i cannot claim that "bugs checking out of game = bugs scum".

pedit: ok nvm i see you have responded, will read that in a bit

[Rhyme and Reason]

so I think my recommendation for winning the game is (assuming bugs reds) to go:

T3 -> toogs -> skitt if she's still alive in 3p

~Rhyme

[skitter30]

Nullish, maybe nulltown if i feel generous

Toog ^

[Rhyme and Reason]

can we please not try to spiral here? I sometimes feel like you're idk, very reactive to my choice of words before I get the chance to expand -- when I say annoying I don't mean like ~you as a person are annoying~ I mean I feel like this game is headed in the direction where I have a correct TR on you and you're going to be horrendously paranoid of me all game because of it (again, I guess if we're both still alive later then I'd need to double check but it's enough for now) which is just.. slightly frustrating bc I can't really tell what it's based on besides somewhat nebulous ~there's something off about mena~ feelings

~Rhyme

[Rhyme and Reason]

Nullish, maybe nulltown if i feel generous

Toog ^

I uh

maybe TR tris tonally

not sure, don't have a great baseline for tris' tone when she's scum but I liked the interjection of the bit about it being the left one who thinks something, it felt kinda natural and off-the-cuff

~Rhyme

[Rhyme and Reason]

oh, didn't mean to quote that

why do you maybe null town toogs?

I don't really get any Good Vibes there yet, but it's just that T3 feels like he could be limbait but just as easily could be scum and I think that unless he starts being actually towny I wouldn't want him to endgame anyway. if bugs greens then I would probably be more careful around flipping T3 or want to be more confident he's actually scum, but if bugs reds and we're ahead then I think I'd rather just lim him and not worry about it

~Rhyme

[Datisi]

maybe the phrasing of "unconcerned with how you were seen" is poorly put, but the idea that I was trying to get across was that you didn't seem like you cared how people read you /beyond how it affected your ability to prosecute your own reads or to what extent it helped you to get a read on them/

okay uhh i'm not sure i vibe with this part. like, i'm pretty sure i made multiple posts in my notes that were like "oh god oh fuck if cakez flips red, everyone is gonna think i'm his partner oh shit" so again i'm not quite getting how you're coming to this conclusion about my levels of concern for my own life in that game?

i feel like i am struggling to respond to the rest. it's obviously true that i'm trying to form my own reads here (because that's what we're here for, no) but "the way i am perceived" is always kinda my first priority, mostly bc it's (imho) town!me's strongest asset. so like, i feel like your last paragraph is ~wrong~ regardless of your alignment - i kinda know this is all in my head, so it's much more clear to me than to the rest of the table, and that maybe i don't necessarily always give off that vibe of self-preservation, but also i feel like you should know better and i'm worried this is a walkback bc you see i'm not going down that easy and adslfdgjkj

first para: I'm talking more about how you presented in thread than how you presented in ur notes. I imagine that your like, standard paranoia and neuroticism is probably flowing there (still think u should just do that in main thread btw, as it makes you very town when you do, but I imagine it makes playing scum harder so)

second para: I don't really know what you're getting at? like not sure if we're talking past each other a bit. I think that when you're scum your concern with perceptions of you is more directly related to who is a threat to you/trying to understand how the gamestate is so you can manipulate it while PRETENDING to use it to generate reads. when you're town I think it's more about figuring out whether reads on you are in good faith or are pocket attempts, and that this goes more in conjunction with what's happening here. like eh, if we flip a load of town then yes, I probably need to reconsider if you're faking all the paranoia and this is a Datisi Big Brain(tm) play to pocket me but for now I'm kinda just happy to call you town lol

~Rhyme

oh my god self-meta discussion that probably nobody else is even gonna read i'm lowkey regretting starting this

i don't intentionally sandbag my games >_> my notes are often things that i don't actually want out in the main thread - either because i think it would make me more easily pocketable / playable around, because i think people would find that level of waffle scummy, or simply because i think others would find it annoying and it would not have sufficient gain to offset the drawback of other people disliking me (this is not directly related to this game but i kinda take offense when people think i intentionally do things like that for the sake of future oppposite-alignment games)

i mean, we may be talking past each other here, but like, i'm saying that i'm always concerned about the way i look, sometimes it doesn't have anything to do with reading the other person's read on me, it has to do with pure "ah shit, my only useful asset when town is being townread, if i can't do that what the fuck do i have to offer, i need to be transparently town here" survivalism/paranoia. (obviously i wanna be townread as scum too, for different reasons lol) though, having typed this out, i can kinda see why you'd think i do the "i will read their read on me" with everyone considering i do it constantly with you. but like, i do not always do that, that's what i was getting at earlier - that's what i meant when i said you're wrong regardless of your alignment, i was thinking whether any-alignment!mena even knows that and whether your "actually nvm datisi is town" Makes Sense with that in mind

this feels like a confusing word salad and at this point i kinda wanna just drop it bc i'm not sure if anything useful is gonna come from this discussion anymore but it is what it is

[Datisi]

can we please not try to spiral here? I sometimes feel like you're idk, very reactive to my choice of words before I get the chance to expand -- when I say annoying I don't mean like ~you as a person are annoying~ I mean I feel like this game is headed in the direction where I have a correct TR on you and you're going to be horrendously paranoid of me all game because of it (again, I guess if we're both still alive later then I'd need to double check but it's enough for now) which is just.. slightly frustrating bc I can't really tell what it's based on besides somewhat nebulous ~there's something off about mena~ feelings

~Rhyme

i'm not trying to spiral... i guessed the "annoying" didn't mean "personally-annoying". i got a slight feeling that was AtE-ish trying to call my actions/paranoia-read on you annoying so that you make me drop it and back off. like, idk i'm sorry? i really wish i could just get to a townread on you (assuming you're town here) and feel like the game is going great and we're gonna roflstomp it but i just don't think i can right now?

[Datisi]

so I think my recommendation for winning the game is (assuming bugs reds) to go:

T3 -> toogs -> skitt if she's still alive in 3p

~Rhyme

any reason skitt is here other than "if not dead she is scum"? like, her play around bugs doesn't really remind me of bussing that i've seen from her

though having said that, i'm realizing i'm thinking of that micro game that i modded where skitter bussed, when maybe i should be thinking of that micro game i played in where skitter was an actual partner to bugspray, but also uhh this feels like an exercise for a later day so whatever

[skitter30]

oh, didn't mean to quote that

why do you maybe null town toogs?

I don't really get any Good Vibes there yet, but it's just that T3 feels like he could be limbait but just as easily could be scum and I think that unless he starts being actually towny I wouldn't want him to endgame anyway. if bugs greens then I would probably be more careful around flipping T3 or want to be more confident he's actually scum, but if bugs reds and we're ahead then I think I'd rather just lim him and not worry about it

~Rhyme

I'm not really getting any bad vibes from toog and i liked his reason to scumread retti a few pages back
Def not strong enuf for a townread but the pings u've been getting have been positive

[skitter30]

though having said that, i'm realizing i'm thinking of that micro game that i modded where skitter bussed, when maybe i should be thinking of that micro game i played in where skitter was an actual partner to bugspray, but also uhh this feels like an exercise for a later day so whatever

I mean i can elaborate the difference and tell you what it would probably mean here lol, but i'm always intrigued how other people read this too

Fwiw i probably bus bugs here, but idk if i *go out of the gate* bussing him

[Datisi]

them*

also i'm not really interested in seriously entertaining a skitt/bugs team until at least one of you flips red, and considerng we're 99.999% flipping them before you i don't think that is necessary right now for the sake of ~sorting you~ either

like sure i guess there's a chance that this is skitt/bugs and i, having personally played in mbos9, am the only person here who could possibly notice the bullshit you will give in your explanation about the differences, but you nightkill me tonight and ride to victory on the bus, but like... it's too early in the morning for these levels of tinfoil.

[skitter30]

* them my apologies

And indeed