micro 1017 is over party

[skitter30]

Eh and i meant difference between mbos9 and the game you modded, and not between mbos9 and here per se

[T3]

I townread skitter. I initially scumread her because of the bugspray RVS thing but once that cleared up she swems towny by meta. I recently played an open with her and she scumread hectic by vibes but wasn't able to put it at anything stronger than that. She was town. That's what she's doing here.

As for the hydra their posting is throwing me off but I definitely didn't like the "trust me" post.

From what Datisi is saying about bugsprays naked voting it seems like it isn't AI for bugspray. I haven't seen any of their towngames so I'm not sure on bugspray.

As for the hydra their posting is throwing me off but I definitely didn't like the "trust me" post

okay how is it throwing you off and why didn't you like the trust me post?

~Rhyme

I'm honestly not sure, your tone feels a little bit weird to me.

The trust me post I didn't like for reasons Datisi outlined but your response made sense so I think you're town.

i don't really like/get this progression. in the first post, the explanation about the hydra seems to be completely negative, but in the next post, he's saying how he actually thinks they're town because he liked mena's explanation? like it seems like he's changed his mind on RaR between those few posts but there's kinda no indication that he was ~thinking~ about their alignment

also t3, how did you get the "from what datisi's saying, it looks like naked voting isn't ai for bugspray"? like, i was saying how them voting but providing none/poor/shallow reasoning is *very* ai...

[redacted]

[Datisi]

ah ok

well then even moreso, pretty sure we're the only two here who have first-hand experience with *both* of those games

i am looking at the "indeed" in 374 and i will pretend i didn't just have a vision of skitter typing "ok i will murderize datisi tonight" into the scum pt

[skitter30]

I only try to make people paranoid of me *sometimes*

[Rhyme and Reason]

any reason skitt is here other than "if not dead she is scum"?

no, literally just that

like, skitter ~maybe~ dodges the NK for like 1-2 nights if town, but I have big scepticism that anyone in this PL would decide to bring her to 3p lylo who wouldn't... also probably be dead by that point (like, I would probably not bring her to 3p lylo and I don't think u or tris would do so if u were scum... maybe tris would? idk, but that's a Very Bold decision if skitter is town and I think that generally scum aren't willing to take the bet on the final townie paranoia voting skitt > them especially considering that mislimming skitt is normally a huge pain in the ass unless she's fucked up in her positioning on a scum wagon)

~Rhyme

[Rhyme and Reason]

oh my god self-meta discussion that probably nobody else is even gonna read i'm lowkey regretting starting this

i don't intentionally sandbag my games >_> my notes are often things that i don't actually want out in the main thread - either because i think it would make me more easily pocketable / playable around, because i think people would find that level of waffle scummy, or simply because i think others would find it annoying and it would not have sufficient gain to offset the drawback of other people disliking me (this is not directly related to this game but i kinda take offense when people think i intentionally do things like that for the sake of future oppposite-alignment games)

i mean, we may be talking past each other here, but like, i'm saying that i'm always concerned about the way i look, sometimes it doesn't have anything to do with reading the other person's read on me, it has to do with pure "ah shit, my only useful asset when town is being townread, if i can't do that what the fuck do i have to offer, i need to be transparently town here" survivalism/paranoia. (obviously i wanna be townread as scum too, for different reasons lol) though, having typed this out, i can kinda see why you'd think i do the "i will read their read on me" with everyone considering i do it constantly with you. but like, i do not always do that, that's what i was getting at earlier - that's what i meant when i said you're wrong regardless of your alignment, i was thinking whether any-alignment!mena even knows that and whether your "actually nvm datisi is town" Makes Sense with that in mind

this feels like a confusing word salad and at this point i kinda wanna just drop it bc i'm not sure if anything useful is gonna come from this discussion anymore but it is what it is

okay I'm tired-ish and have some stuff I need to do today so I may be a bit cursory in passing over this

so first up, sorry, didn't mean to imply sandbagging, like I appreciate that you have reasons for doing them separately, I just personally think they would make you easier to read *for me* if they were in main thread, maybe it wouldn't be so helpful for others but I think ever since you started doing a notes thread every game you became harder to read to me? also I think that there were obviously other confounding variables that made it harder for me to read you so, we'll see if I can now or not

second para: I... did not know that you didn't do that with everyone and thought you did? or at least used it as a significant part of your read on others too. I still think that I'm right that your paranoia/concerns about how you're being read looks? different? when you're town vs scum tho. like again, I felt like even if you were worried about being misread in c9++ it was more to do with being worried about your reads leading to you being misread etc rather than being like "oh shit, are they seeing I'm scum, am I being scummy" which I think is more how I would expect you worrying about that to look as scum (not like, super obviously, but I think those lines would be underlying it).

basically, you seemed very concerned with getting your reads /right/ in c9++ and like you weren't really fussed about who you butted heads with or if they SR you for it if you were SRing them. again, I'm thinking particularly of you being combative with TLDNE, whereas I think you as scum would probably have been more anxious about being in conflict with them because they would have been a very hard push and I think pretending you thought they were scummy would have been difficult if you knew all their posts were good faith and that their push on cakez was good faith. like, I have this too -- I can be very confidently wrong on someone when I'm town and don't know they're town, but if I'm scum and I know all their posts are genuine it can become difficult for me to convincingly pretend I think they're scum

idk, I hope this is helpful

~Rhyme

[Rhyme and Reason]

can we please not try to spiral here? I sometimes feel like you're idk, very reactive to my choice of words before I get the chance to expand -- when I say annoying I don't mean like ~you as a person are annoying~ I mean I feel like this game is headed in the direction where I have a correct TR on you and you're going to be horrendously paranoid of me all game because of it (again, I guess if we're both still alive later then I'd need to double check but it's enough for now) which is just.. slightly frustrating bc I can't really tell what it's based on besides somewhat nebulous ~there's something off about mena~ feelings

~Rhyme

i'm not trying to spiral... i guessed the "annoying" didn't mean "personally-annoying". i got a slight feeling that was AtE-ish trying to call my actions/paranoia-read on you annoying so that you make me drop it and back off. like, idk i'm sorry? i really wish i could just get to a townread on you (assuming you're town here) and feel like the game is going great and we're gonna roflstomp it but i just don't think i can right now?

okay that's fine, it was more just a throwaway thing of like, it's generally a bit annoying to deal with managing peoples paranoia of me when I'm fairly confident on them being town, because it's like... idk, kind of like "yes, we're winning here, but I need to guide you through seeing that I'm also town and not playing you so we can lim the actual scum, and this would be much easier if you could also just read me as town"

I am like, vaguely paranoid of you too, I'm just a lot better at constraining that in early days than I used to be. trust me, if we end up in 5p lylo and you're still there and so am I, I will be a paranoid mess again who's desperately re-checking that Ali blitz game + JK9++ where you previously fooled me. full disclosure I'm already a bit worried that your insistence on being worried about me is you being performative because you know that I like it when you're paranoid of me (or like, I consider it a feature of your towngame) and that you're sticking with it beyond where I think you would actually be paranoid to. as in, if you were town you would no longer be as paranoid as you claim to be and would be okay calling me town by now. however, I feel like bugs is likely to be scum, and entertaining that line of thought seriously on D1 is unlikely to be helpful. it's the sort of thing I'd consider more if bugs flips town

~Rhyme

[Rhyme and Reason]

I'm not really getting any bad vibes from toog and i liked his reason to scumread retti a few pages back
Def not strong enuf for a townread but the pings u've been getting have been positive

eh, just feels very boring to me, like generically safe reads but with a little bit of spice/contrarianism by putting retti initially low. I feel like pob long's "why are R+R town, I think they're scummy" strikes me as more authentically against the current?

but meh

~Rhyme

[Rhyme and Reason]

idk, course of action feels simple: yeet bugs, if red then cool, keep going, if green then re-evaluate what was going on on D1

~Rhyme

[bugspray]

idk, course of action feels simple: yeet bugs, if red then cool, keep going, if green then re-evaluate what was going on on D1

~Rhyme

'm gonna flip green so how about you start that second part now

[bugspray]

what if we just yeet you

[Rhyme and Reason]

'm gonna flip green

~Rhyme

[T3]

What if I just hammer VOTE: bugspray

[Retti]

Uhm

Well that's something to check into

[tʃɹɪs]

i think i've talked about datisi already;

you've only mentioned liking my 33, and like surely that's not the whole basis for "feeling pretty good about datisi being town"? >_>

oh right. i felt like i had said a little more, but i hadn't. it justs seems obvious. everything you say shows that you;re thinking about that game in nuanced ways that show that you are truly trying to figure it out.

[tʃɹɪs]

i'm getting a bad gut ping from tris because she was also playing in that 09:12 game i linked earlier, and i'm kinda... weirded out? that the mentions of that meta boil down to "ok" and "i think that's true". like idunno, idk if tris is a fan of meta or not, but i expected a bit stronger reaction to it? like the two games really felt widely different to me and maybe i'm disappointed that someone else is not noticing it as much as i am but it feels weird

i hadn't really put together a unified theory of bugspray despite having played with both alignments, but when you mention it, it makes a lot of sense. sorry i didn't have a bigger reaction lol.

[tʃɹɪs]

i remember having come to the conclusion that skitter is best treated as scum until proven otherwise.

I think this us isually more in the sense of 'man maybe she's scum, we cant really trust her reads or pushes' and less in the sense of 'she's a good vote because i'm not sure we can townread her' two irl days into day1

yeah fine whatever.

And what retti said abt 'commenting on random posts' resonates quite a bit too

does it resonate with what you remember of my play as town or scum?

[tʃɹɪs]

oh i should be reading the next post before i replied

[tʃɹɪs]

@skitter; how do you think this fits with how i tend to be as scum or town?

More likely to come from scum with the caveat that i dont rememner your playstyle too well offhand

Its more a thing that i've noticed scum in general do and less a thing that i've noticed scum*you* do if thay makes sense

i personally think that it's well within my normal behavior for both alignments. i've often been called out for asking random questions.

[tʃɹɪs]

was that a hammer?

[tʃɹɪs]

i could hammer right now

[Retti]

You didn't

have

to spoil the ruse, you know

[tʃɹɪs]

im sorry

[tʃɹɪs]

is there any reason i shouldn't hammer? do we want bugspray to claim?

[tʃɹɪs]

VOTE: bugspray