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[Dwlee99]

I'm pretty sure we just win from the PoE here. I don't think monkey can be evil because of interactions with Bambi, salsa is now confirmed, leaving Max/Kerset/T3. I feel good on Kerset tonally today and I can trust monkey since he is so confident here. That leaves Max and T3. If tomorrow ends up happening then I'll probably have some degree of paranoia over Kerset but I think we just win here.

T3 I want to talk to you about your HEM scum(lean?) because I think he has been extremely townie since day 3.

[MaxTheFox]

My case on him is that:
1. Him becoming much more active after Cyrus's death seems like a scum picking up the slack after a buddy died.
2. I don't see town being so jumpy with claims.
3. I generally don't like his tone.

The activity itself wasn't the bad thing, it's just him becoming more active after Cyrus died really pinged me. But it was a coincidence, he was catching up.

[MaxTheFox]

Responses in bold.

MaxTheFox, cyrus62, Bambi Jay (exclude Day 4)

Didn't realize this started until today, woops.

Anyways, hello everyone! I am semi-new but I played one game already (I was scum there) and read a bunch of games before. The game in question: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86642

Why scum!

Fox

will start with sharing her scum game (to everyone except

Fox

herself)? Her

scum-intro

in that game:

Alrighty, this is the first game I didn't get replaced out of. I did read a lot of games before. Ahem.

VOTE: JohnyFarrar for wagoning NFP early.

Also feels like a lot of iioa throughout, and an unusual fixation on getting a sense of where everyone's townreads are, which could be nai but here feels more like trying to map the topography and get a strategic push in at a later time

This is about you Sean

What does iioa mean?

The other point is fair. Ftr it is more that I am much more of a scumreader than a townreader, and am actively working on my towncore-game.

Information instead of analysis. Basically recapping the game without sharing thoughts.

Did you talk about

Seanzie

here? If so, what were you thinking that about him?

Seanzie didn't ping me much at all before their death. Sorry.

Possibly unpopular opinion. Cyrus is town. Read only the first few pages though, still reading.

Mention those

1st few pages

posts where you saw town!him.

It was just the tone on most of his posts before his slip, which I wasn't there to see and then he got hanged before I could log on again and respond.

I'd also like to refer to this thread
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=123&t=85510
If the NRG deemed his setup to be weak with a real invest (Town Neap) I doubt the NRG approves a setup where roaming det gets to be our invest this game, assuming this is it

Consider: another weak incest like, IDK, a voyeur or something. Wouldn't that be balanced then?

You have decent knowledge about game mechanisms I see, then why it was tough for you to form opinions early? Even if I give you benifit of the doubt for being new, you couldn't form opinions on Day 3 also.

Knowing mechanical theory =/= having enough practice to scumhunt. I think I have enough at this point however.

Is this the best you can do?

Yes. I'm sorry but I'm new. This is my best attept at solving.

Max do you have more thoughtsTM? Have you caught up?

I was AFK for a while. But basically I skimmed the thread. Early Cyrus vs nomnomnom is TvT I think.

Maybe because I wasn't interacting with the thread early it's hard for me to form opinions.

i would prefer the word scum to wolf. as i feel like im being flat out called a lier or a cheat or cut throat, back stabber. i may have over reacted but wolf to me , means a lot more then mafia.

"Mafia" is more suitable on MAFIAscum, I agree. However, the game was originally called Wolf (I think) and many other sites use the term Wolf instead of Mafia/Scum. (I personally dislike the name Wolf because -to me- it's a different alignment than Mafia, but that's just me.)

Actually it

was

Mafia originally and still is in some countries (it's a Russian game) but it is more popular in America as "Werewolf".

Did you ever play any forum mafia on other sites? Or any kind of mafia game on anywhere?

Chat mafia, the meta is very different there. It's a lot more role-based (not to the extent of TOS tho).

Meanwhile I'm reading your scum game, there you were confident from the 1st post but here you started with playing the newb player card.

I think I noticed, you didn't have any direct interaction with

cyrus62

at all while both of you were online.

so now that thats done as i said boxy isnt lieing. so check monkey to see why he wanted to lynch a pr.

why though

im the type of guy who plays fair. good job . town good job.

fatia isnt scum trust me.

This literally just sounds like throwing? Or the worst WIFOM ever. The worst wine nobody would even drink.

So honestly for now I'll assume anything he said is pointless to find his partners.
Or that's what he wants you to think.

Between your 743 to this post,

Bambi

made tons of posts but you only responded this:

Or that's what he wants you to think.

How I read this post is you suggested

Bambi

to take scum!

cyrus62

's posts seriously? Or you thought he mentioned his scum partners in those posts?

The latter. I mean. He seems like the sort of player to make those weird ballsy refuge-in-audacity plays.

I want to let boxxy live but his recent posts kinda reek of scum.

Do you have any other reads?

Bambi is town. I can feel it. I can't quite explain why though.

Can you explain it now?

Her ISO looked townie when I skimmed it but not when I looked at it deeper.

Edit: that's alot of sudden Max support from me reminding y'all she exists.

Alright, I am less busy now. Should talk more. Sorry for lurking.

Timing is questionable.

Is that it, MaxTheFox? That's too little. I would like you to act as if you're a replacement into your slot and catch-up, explain the reads you had blurted out, roleclaim, and tell us who is scum.

The explanation for my read on Bambi is that Bambi just seems helpful. Providing reads. Helping solve the game. And most importantly it doesn't seem forced.

Exactly what you did on your scum game. So you.should.know, if a player is helpful, doesn't necessarily mean they are town.

Actually in my scum game I barely did jack to solve. Less than Bambi did. I just kinda went with the flow before and after turbo-pushing VFP.

I am willing to get hanged the next day if A50 turns out to be town. But I doubt. I don't see a townie being so jumpy.

Uh oh.

The explanation for my read on Bambi is that Bambi just seems helpful. Providing reads. Helping solve the game. And most importantly it doesn't seem forced.

What posts from Bambi does it give you the impression that they're helpful, providing reads, helping solve the game, etc.? And why is Bambi Jay more distinctly town vs Almost50 or anyone else in the playerlist?

It's just the feeling I get from her ISO? This... I don't feel scum would make this post. Call it my intuition.

What part? Not shooting me?

I would've shot my slot personally as scum. Killing a lurker slot gives nothin away. But I know for sure if Almost is scum he wouldn't kill me cuz it's more with me alive and vice versa. Use that info how you will.

So Kyouko's death wasn't to hide themselves very well. It had a purpose.

This is however immediately soiled with

Yeah a mass claim now kinda helps. First off though I guess I got an idea. If we all say the 3 people we want the most gone out of us 9, we can narrow down our pool significantly. Tally the votes and shit.

Like for me it would be
HEM
Salsa
Dwlee

The bottom two just feel fillersy. Probs could say the same about Max but of everyone she seems the most screwed from the short first days. Let's not go wild I guess this time and think things through.

Bruh why would you put HEM as your top scumread?

And I'm transparent that I meme around even claiming a shitty role when y'all know I'm a VT since I already admitted to wanting to bite the bullet earlier. I would've shot you anyway if I was a vig. I'm trigger happy.

Anyway I'm off to bed.

Now unlike with invest claims I can't really see scum back out of a vig claim. Too much risk.

However.

I am re-reading Bambi's ISO and my TR on her is just... eroding. I don't know why I originally TRed her. Many of her other posts are either filler or scum.
I really hate the tone of this in particular.

Why do you all keep going for me or my townreads? This is saddening.

Box doesn't trust me. Monkey sure as heck doesn't trust me. Salsa doesn't. Dwlee and Max are wall decorations.

T3 and Almost seem to be the guys who I can trust here. And unless I'm double pocketed by the scum team I'm sure I'm right here.

Consider Bambi another scumlean from me now.

Why didn't you unvote

Almost50

that time when you were taking a pause I suppose?

Because A50 was worse to me still.

A50 is scum trying to get away with blatantly changing claims to fit the situation.

Can you expound on this? How did scum!A50 use his claims and fake guilties/clears to fit his situation? I'm trying to get a read on this slot so you can help me with this one.

He didn't, he just jumped between several claims over the course of 3 days. I just don't see why town would make themself hard to read like that.

Which

Bambi

also did, then why she couldn't be your top scumread like

Almost50

?

She did but not so egregiously, and also didn't have the "becomes active after alleged buddy dies" thing.

[MaxTheFox]

Someone: heyo max scumslipped

Everyone: so naturaly we lim t3

Where's my slip?

[MaxTheFox]

Just get this over with, I'd prefer we hang T3 right now so the game ends faster but if you hang me first then so be it.

[MaxTheFox]

I'm not self hammering yet because town has things to discuss.

[Salsabil Faria]

The more I'm reading from these 2 (

Fox

,

T3

), the more I'm getting confused lol....
It's 50/50 to me now.

[Salsabil Faria]

This guy shouldn't get this far in game. T3 is barely trying to do anything in this game and sneaks inside a wagon.
VOTE: T3

I should be locktowned after what happened yesterday.[/quote]

I got seanzie fo townslip then I had something and forgot to unvote.

Explain please how you

should be

locktown in this scenario.

[/quote]
I forced a townslip from seanzie and then had to go and forgot to unvote.[/quote]

If that was hammer, wow, good job. Y'all are like... REALLY bad at this game.

I'm combined bodyguard hider (or whatever it is called). I'm essentially a bodyguard with an unlimited vest. I severely doubt we have two investigative since my role is kind of way OP (granted they are nerfed roles, but still, seems way too townsided).

Almost50 knew I was PT. He fished for it, and could tell I was suspicious of him and Boxxy because I was PT.

Nom's cases have been just bad. They've plummetted on my reads list.

T3 should be policy elimed at this point if they aren't giving any thoughts and double-vote hammering clear town.

The rest of you... really need to learn good play. This was one of the worst mafia experiences I have ever had, and honestly if this is typical play for this site, I might just move on.

lol

Doesn't match with your ''

I should be locktown

'' theory unless you think we have some kind of telepathic power!

[T3]

I fakehammered seanzie.

[Kerset]

Didn't you just joke about being conftown and now try to give it a meaning?

[T3]

I was being serious.

[Salsabil Faria]

Official Vote Count 2.03

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elimination

With 11 votes in play it takes 6 to eliminate a player

Seanzie (6): Almost50, Bambi Jay, Kerset, nomnomnom, T3, humaneatingmonkey | EXECUTED
Almost50 (1): Seanzie

Not Voting (4): Salsabil Faria, MaxTheFox, boxxy, Dwlee99

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-06-24 12:38:28).

Mod notes:

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[Salsabil Faria]

I'm getting the feeling that it's

T3

guys, do you guys have any objection? I want to place my vote.

[Dwlee99]

I feel like the associatives are stronger between Bambi and max than Bambi and T3 and so would rather Lim there. I also think Max has said the words "you can vote me off" or something similar which always make me want to throw people off the train.

[Salsabil Faria]

Yeah,

cyrus62

also said the same thing but I'm also considering if town!her said that in frustration. My gut is saying

T3

but I messed up with

Almost50

last time by using my gut read, so I'm scared rn.

[Salsabil Faria]

That's the same exact thing Cyrus said too.

Bambi

also pointed it out which makes me think why she put a target on her lurking scum partner.

[Kerset]

Yeah,

cyrus62

also said the same thing but I'm also considering if town!her said that in frustration. My gut is saying

T3

but I messed up with

Almost50

last time by using my gut read, so I'm scared rn.

Well i wasnt part of cyrus caught then led seanzie wagon and yesterday fought for a50 death. Still, i feel confident that t3>max

[Kerset]

i hope that death thread is not yelling at me :S

[T3]

How many mislims do we have?

[Dwlee99]

We lose if we miselim twice.

[T3]

So what if I self vote then we vote max.

[humaneatingmonkey]

G

[Dwlee99]

H

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: T3

[Dwlee99]

I still think we will save a lot of heartache by just yeeting max first.