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[cyrus62]

I had this neatly formatted and typed out but lost my post, ffs...

There is at least one scum in S&M and Distance, I think they just double bussed though. Triple ISO them with kitty. It seems to me the plan was to steal cop with the dead scum's wallet and save the rest of the money for later auctions when a town MO can no longer "guarantee" that no scum roles make it in. The fewer roles that remain, the less powerful the MO Enhancement becomes and the more likely a random role that benefits scum will slip in. By double bussing d1 they can ride out the game until a good scum power slips through

VOTE: S&M

If this is green I will reconsider Distance.

Good job, if you’re actually town here and town doesn’t want to lose, they should steer 100% clear of your shitty reads,

@Imaginality, still think this is town? Kyuku’s top srs are on the extremely likely pure Kitty wagon. I was going to unvote you but this screams setting up miselims to me.

The rationale for the scum double bus theory makes no sense to me. It seems likely scum would get Kitty to high-bid cop when they knew Kitty was about to be elimmed. But deliberately double-bussing Kitty, eh, I doubt it. Losing that 800 is going to hurt scum more than just a normal elim. Of course, the fact it seems particularly bad for scum would also boost the towncred reward if they pull it off. But it doesn't seem like the Kitty wagon was really pushed hard so it was a heck of a laid back double bus if it was one. Like I say I don't see it.

That said, I also don't think we should simply assume anyone in particular on the Kitty wagon is definitely town. A few people have done so so far: Gamma, Distance, you (S&M), and mastina:

quote="Gamma 440"]I think S&M hydra is probably confirmed town now right?

i should be obvtown after that flip

I think Kitty wagon was all town and Mastina was obviously right on Flea, so this game should probably not be too hard to solve.

(plus the 'extremely likely pure wagon' comment above)

KittyTacky (4) - Distance, Smoke and Mirrors, Imaginality, Gamma Emerald

So I am treating y'all as conftown.

I think if there is scum on Kitty wagon it's least likely Gamma as I think scum bussing earlier in the wagon is more likely than late. I would reconsider that if VFP is scum (as that would mean there wasn't any chance of shifting the elimination away from scum).

But with scum really unable to afford another elim today and how strongly the VFP wagon built I think VFP is more likely town and that at least one scum is on the wagon.

Current VFP voters are:

VFP (5) - Mastina - Distance - marcistar - Cyrus62 - ssbm_Kyouko

Of those voters:

With ssbm I feel like I have a good sense of what I find suspicious and what I find townie, and I'm happy to watch and wait.

I'm happy to keep my vote on mastina for kicking off the VFP wagon (which given there had been votes on VFP end of D1, was quite likely to build up), and if mastina flips scum I think it's worth looking at the Kitty wagon again.

cyrus seems all over the place. I don't think that's an act. I feel like unless scum aren't bothering to talk, cyrus as scum would have slightly more of a clue about certain things?

I need to reread marci but retyping all this means it's 2am now, so sleep first, iso after. Pedit: would marci have unvoted if there was a competing wagon? If VFP gets elimmed and flips town that unvote will look convenient in retrospect.

I think if someone did bus Kitty it's more likely Distance than S&M. Their 'i should be obvtown' quote raises my eyebrow (too concerned with how others see them?) and the vote on VFP is unexplained but that could be a play style thing.

I will say I find the meta discussion hard to get into because I don't know anyone from other games and have no time to read dozens of games. The point someone made about Alisae being excited to play when scum made me feel slightly better about Gamma.


Also, why were all the midday bids so low. Come on people, bid high and make scum either give us powers or use their cash. If everyone bids high then it also helps auction detectives (if their target didn't bid today it means they either won a power d1 or are scum saving their cash). Scum can't outbid us for both auction detectives and watcher if we bid high on all three.[/quote] something is broken here

[Smoke and Mirrors]

votecount 2.3

Gamma Emerald (0)
mastina (1) : Imaginality
Smoke and Mirrors (0)
Cupcake Butterfly (0)
ssbm_Kyouko (0)
Something_Smart (1) - VFP
cyrus62 (0)
imaginality (0)
marcistar (0)
Distance (0)
VFP (5) - Mastina - Distance - marcistar - Cyrus62 - ssbm_Kyouko

not voting (4) - Everyone else

day 2 ends in (expired on 2021-06-26 10:38:57)

auction

the auctioned abilities are :

1-shot Aution Detective - the top bet at the mid point is 5

2-shot Auction Detective - the top bet at the mid point is 365

2-shot Gravedigger - the top bet at the mid point is 25

2-shot Watcher - the top bet at the mid point is 100

@mod, since SS just replaced in, any chance we get an extension here?

[Gamma Emerald]

Something bothers me about that imaginality wall

[Cupcake Butterfly]

Ok yeah I'm really going to need someone to case VFP-scum if they still think such. I'm both unconvinced and underwhelmed by the enthusiasm for that lim in proportion to it becoming an L1 wagon.

Mastina still mirrors how I see myself as scum in a sense.

I'm really wanting SS to engage with my posts or the game more. I understand that an offensive play is not their style, but I only cared for Misty's posting on a surface level and I need more.

[cyrus62]

Ok yeah I'm really going to need someone to case VFP-scum if they still think such. I'm both unconvinced and underwhelmed by the enthusiasm for that lim in proportion to it becoming an L1 wagon.

Mastina still mirrors how I see myself as scum in a sense.

I'm really wanting SS to engage with my posts or the game more. I understand that an offensive play is not their style, but I only cared for Misty's posting on a surface level and I need more.

i honestly think no one should vote till we do reads better as who ever has the most votes dies at end of day. UNVOTE:

[imaginality]

Something bothers me about that imaginality wall

Something bothers

me

about that wall! Sorry about the broken quote, cyrus.

[imaginality]

Reposting in a tidied up easier to quote form:
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I had this neatly formatted and typed out but lost my post, ffs...

There is at least one scum in S&M and Distance, I think they just double bussed though. Triple ISO them with kitty. It seems to me the plan was to steal cop with the dead scum's wallet and save the rest of the money for later auctions when a town MO can no longer "guarantee" that no scum roles make it in. The fewer roles that remain, the less powerful the MO Enhancement becomes and the more likely a random role that benefits scum will slip in. By double bussing d1 they can ride out the game until a good scum power slips through

VOTE: S&M

If this is green I will reconsider Distance.

Good job, if you’re actually town here and town doesn’t want to lose, they should steer 100% clear of your shitty reads,

@Imaginality, still think this is town? Kyuku’s top srs are on the extremely likely pure Kitty wagon. I was going to unvote you but this screams setting up miselims to me.

The rationale for the scum double bus theory makes no sense to me. It seems likely scum would get Kitty to high-bid cop when they knew Kitty was about to be elimmed. But deliberately double-bussing Kitty, eh, I doubt it. Losing that 800 is going to hurt scum more than just a normal elim. Of course, the fact it seems particularly bad for scum would also boost the towncred reward if they pull it off. But it doesn't seem like the Kitty wagon was really pushed hard so it was a heck of a laid back double bus if it was one. Like I say I don't see it.

That said, I also don't think we should simply assume anyone in particular on the Kitty wagon is definitely town. A few people have done so so far: Gamma, Distance, you (S&M), and mastina:

I think S&M hydra is probably confirmed town now right?

i should be obvtown after that flip

I think Kitty wagon was all town and Mastina was obviously right on Flea, so this game should probably not be too hard to solve.

(plus the 'extremely likely pure wagon' comment above)

KittyTacky (4) - Distance, Smoke and Mirrors, Imaginality, Gamma Emerald

So I am treating y'all as conftown.

I think if there is scum on Kitty wagon it's least likely Gamma as I think scum bussing earlier in the wagon is more likely than late. I would reconsider that if VFP is scum (as that would mean there wasn't any chance of shifting the elimination away from scum).

But with scum really unable to afford another elim today and how strongly the VFP wagon built I think VFP is more likely town and that at least one scum is on the wagon.

Current VFP voters are:

VFP (5) - Mastina - Distance - marcistar - Cyrus62 - ssbm_Kyouko

Of those voters:

With ssbm I feel like I have a good sense of what I find suspicious and what I find townie, and I'm happy to watch and wait.

I'm happy to keep my vote on mastina for kicking off the VFP wagon (which given there had been votes on VFP end of D1, was quite likely to build up), and if mastina flips scum I think it's worth looking at the Kitty wagon again.

cyrus seems all over the place. I don't think that's an act. I feel like unless scum aren't bothering to talk, cyrus as scum would have slightly more of a clue about certain things?

I need to reread marci but retyping all this means it's 2am now, so sleep first, iso after. Pedit: would marci have unvoted if there was a competing wagon? If VFP gets elimmed and flips town that unvote will look convenient in retrospect.

I think if someone did bus Kitty it's more likely Distance than S&M. Their 'i should be obvtown' quote raises my eyebrow (too concerned with how others see them?) and the vote on VFP is unexplained but that could be a play style thing.

I will say I find the meta discussion hard to get into because I don't know anyone from other games and have no time to read dozens of games. The point someone made about Alisae being excited to play when scum made me feel slightly better about Gamma.


Also, why were all the midday bids so low. Come on people, bid high and make scum either give us powers or use their cash. If everyone bids high then it also helps auction detectives (if their target didn't bid today it means they either won a power d1 or are scum saving their cash). Scum can't outbid us for both auction detectives and watcher if we bid high on all three.

[imaginality]

On SS:

SS town read VFP today, when VFP was already at 4 votes. But SS hasn't done anything to try to deter that wagon or start an alternative. I can see that town read as coming from scum who would know VFP will flip town but not want to prevent the mis-elim.

If SS turns out to be scum I think it extremely likely VFP is town.

Agree that we need to hear more from SS about scum reads. This close to deadline (unless deadline gets extended) everyone should have a vote on

someone

, so we can do decent analysis in later days.

[imaginality]

VOTE: Something_Smart
This puts SS to 2, so now there's an alternative to the VFP wagon. All you people not voting, time to get off the fence.

[marcistar]

wait hehe guys im back! i thought my grad was gonna take longer

need to reread marci but retyping all this means it's 2am now, so sleep first, iso after. Pedit: would marci have unvoted if there was a competing wagon? If VFP gets elimmed and flips town that unvote will look convenient in retrospect.

im fine with being limmed if it look convenient.

[cyrus62]

No invite other wise random person dies

[cyrus62]

Reposting in a tidied up easier to quote form:
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I had this neatly formatted and typed out but lost my post, ffs...

There is at least one scum in S&M and Distance, I think they just double bussed though. Triple ISO them with kitty. It seems to me the plan was to steal cop with the dead scum's wallet and save the rest of the money for later auctions when a town MO can no longer "guarantee" that no scum roles make it in. The fewer roles that remain, the less powerful the MO Enhancement becomes and the more likely a random role that benefits scum will slip in. By double bussing d1 they can ride out the game until a good scum power slips through

VOTE: S&M

If this is green I will reconsider Distance.

Good job, if you’re actually town here and town doesn’t want to lose, they should steer 100% clear of your shitty reads,

@Imaginality, still think this is town? Kyuku’s top srs are on the extremely likely pure Kitty wagon. I was going to unvote you but this screams setting up miselims to me.

The rationale for the scum double bus theory makes no sense to me. It seems likely scum would get Kitty to high-bid cop when they knew Kitty was about to be elimmed. But deliberately double-bussing Kitty, eh, I doubt it. Losing that 800 is going to hurt scum more than just a normal elim. Of course, the fact it seems particularly bad for scum would also boost the towncred reward if they pull it off. But it doesn't seem like the Kitty wagon was really pushed hard so it was a heck of a laid back double bus if it was one. Like I say I don't see it.

That said, I also don't think we should simply assume anyone in particular on the Kitty wagon is definitely town. A few people have done so so far: Gamma, Distance, you (S&M), and mastina:

I think S&M hydra is probably confirmed town now right?

i should be obvtown after that flip

I think Kitty wagon was all town and Mastina was obviously right on Flea, so this game should probably not be too hard to solve.

(plus the 'extremely likely pure wagon' comment above)

KittyTacky (4) - Distance, Smoke and Mirrors, Imaginality, Gamma Emerald

So I am treating y'all as conftown.

I think if there is scum on Kitty wagon it's least likely Gamma as I think scum bussing earlier in the wagon is more likely than late. I would reconsider that if VFP is scum (as that would mean there wasn't any chance of shifting the elimination away from scum).

But with scum really unable to afford another elim today and how strongly the VFP wagon built I think VFP is more likely town and that at least one scum is on the wagon.

Current VFP voters are:

VFP (5) - Mastina - Distance - marcistar - Cyrus62 - ssbm_Kyouko

Of those voters:

With ssbm I feel like I have a good sense of what I find suspicious and what I find townie, and I'm happy to watch and wait.

I'm happy to keep my vote on mastina for kicking off the VFP wagon (which given there had been votes on VFP end of D1, was quite likely to build up), and if mastina flips scum I think it's worth looking at the Kitty wagon again.

cyrus seems all over the place. I don't think that's an act. I feel like unless scum aren't bothering to talk, cyrus as scum would have slightly more of a clue about certain things?

I need to reread marci but retyping all this means it's 2am now, so sleep first, iso after. Pedit: would marci have unvoted if there was a competing wagon? If VFP gets elimmed and flips town that unvote will look convenient in retrospect.

I think if someone did bus Kitty it's more likely Distance than S&M. Their 'i should be obvtown' quote raises my eyebrow (too concerned with how others see them?) and the vote on VFP is unexplained but that could be a play style thing.

I will say I find the meta discussion hard to get into because I don't know anyone from other games and have no time to read dozens of games. The point someone made about Alisae being excited to play when scum made me feel slightly better about Gamma.


Also, why were all the midday bids so low. Come on people, bid high and make scum either give us powers or use their cash. If everyone bids high then it also helps auction detectives (if their target didn't bid today it means they either won a power d1 or are scum saving their cash). Scum canf't outbid us for both auction detectives and watcher if we bid high on all three.

as I was saying I could get behind you as they wn for thinking like this

[Distance]

what if i just shep

[Distance]

sm is probably town fwiw

[Distance]

look at the circumstances around the vote
its clear it wasnt a bus

[Something_Smart]

I'm really wanting SS to engage with my posts or the game more.

I definitely would appreciate specific questions, then.

[Distance]

im good with limming realy anyone not on the kitty wagon

[Cupcake Butterfly]

I'm really wanting SS to engage with my posts or the game more.

I definitely would appreciate specific questions, then.

Wonderful, why direct your attention to me - who has given little content for you to work with - versus Imaginality - the person who just voted you?

im good with limming realy anyone not on the kitty wagon

Distance I want to believe you're town but these posts make it very difficult. We have like 24 more or less hrs to deadline, you must have SOME opinion other than VFP is scum?

Like you are voting VFP currently, right? It's hard to tell because your posts are easy to skim pass.

[Something_Smart]

why direct your attention to me - who has given little content for you to work with - versus Imaginality - the person who just voted you?

Because I'd rather talk to you than him? If anything, his vote means that he's not likely to ask something useful.

[Cupcake Butterfly]

Oof it's 16 hr?

VOTE: Mastina

I want attention off VFP and more on Mastina, would not be bothered with pressure on Distance or SS right now.

Also KyoukoVNancy was painful enough to read for me to think it's TvT at least for this day phase.

P edit

why direct your attention to me - who has given little content for you to work with - versus Imaginality - the person who just voted you?

Because I'd rather talk to you than him? If anything, his vote means that he's not likely to ask something useful.

This feels like a convenient dismissal of Imaginality.

What value have I shown in this game that he does not have thus far? Another question, do you think I'm being pocketed by him via his support from D1?

[Something_Smart]

Well, for one, I know you, and I don't know him. It's not a dismissal-- if he wants to talk to me, it's not like I'd refuse.

[Something_Smart]

Why do you think he wouldn't support you as scum?

[Cupcake Butterfly]

Why do you think he wouldn't support you as scum?

That's what I fear I will overlook. Scum-Imaginality could theoretically tie an associative with me, but does that actually hold up to a D2 play where he barely mentions me? I doubt such.

So my only trepidation with Imaginality is that I townread him too early through biased reasons, rather than having a tangible reason to reconsider his alignment.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Something bothers me about that imaginality wall

what bothers you about it?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I just read through some of the game you posted. I dont see the parallels so far in reading your ISO. Is there something specific I'm missing?

I see you are still not reading or intentionally misunderstanding/ignoring my posts though.

I didn’t want you to hammer VFP. Is it possible you’re misunderstanding me then? I was surprised that you seemed to be no longer sr him. I think he might possibly be a miselim now because unless I’m wrong on Kitty wagon being pure, I don’t see any scum motivation in him claiming this. Also scum!him has no reason to bring up Happy Face unless it was somehow a pocket and it really didn’t look like one to me. Plus, I also liked SS’ takes on that slot. I jumped off of his wagon because when he suddenly got to E -1, I wasn’t feeling the same degree of confidence I did with Kitty and I really hate to miselim. Of course. if it were to actually turn out that he really is scum, this post will probably come back to bite me but I’m okay with that because rn, I’m leaning to him being a possible miselim.

I don’t have a super strong read on him either way rn but not interested in his wagon today. If you are actually town, then I’m really not sure who to vote for.

I think I missed this post last night. I also missed that you did answer my question now that I'm re-ISOing your later posts.

As frustrated as I was with you missing my points it seems I missed some of yours as well. I'm not satisfied with the answer you did provide, but I can see this is not happening today, and our argument does

feel

tvt in retrospect.

Who are you looking at as an alternative to VFP today, if anyone, and why?