Newbie 2068 | Lofi Beats to Play Mafia To | Game Over

[GrandpaMo]

Zyla has been killed. She was a

vanilla townie

.

wack kill

[GrandpaMo]

ok so i forgot about this game .. and this is awkward -- i don't where to go since im playing in other games but...

i might need to read the whole game over again so just giv me a sec, and i will probably post a wallpost where it is actually comprehendable

[JamesTheNames]

UNVOTE: T3
VOTE: Cook

[GrandpaMo]

That means a scum player could pre-empt a hammer, forcing us into ELo tomorrow.

It'd only be ElO if Grandpa is town here.
Is that what you're suggesting?

that's true, and considering that scum didn't hammer at that point...

VOTE: GrandpaMo

I think this may be a scum.

wtf is this lol... you unvote and and assume im town then u vote back. would scum be that obvious lol

[JamesTheNames]

I have a new question for cook, why do you strong Town Read T3?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m getting real tired of T3’s shenanigans in this game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Cook
I’m joining James on this one. I don’t understand Cook’s thought process here. So he scumreads Grandpa but is also afraid of a scum quickhammer that takes us to ElO? And when called out on this nonsensical stance he just votes Grandpa again?
Just... no.

[JamesTheNames]

VOTE: Cook
I’m joining James on this one. I don’t understand Cook’s thought process here. So he scumreads Grandpa but is also afraid of a scum quickhammer that takes us to ElO? And when called out on this nonsensical stance he just votes Grandpa again?
Just... no.

I want to see Cook's opinions on T3. It could completely change the gamestate.

[GrandpaMo]

Cook searches her coat. "I left my random vote in here somewhere... AHA! Wait, don't want to cast a vote for T3..."

LOL no way cook called out their mafia here lfmaofaoafoafa -- that would actually be hilarious

[NorwegianboyEE]

ok so i forgot about this game .. and this is awkward -- i don't where to go since im playing in other games but...

i might need to read the whole game over again so just giv me a sec, and i will probably post a wallpost where it is actually comprehendable

How is it possible to forget an game you played since just two days ago if i may ask?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’ve played multi-games concurrently and never forget anything if i’m at the level of engagement you’ve clearly been in.
Are you sure that’s not an excuse?

[GrandpaMo]

ok so i forgot about this game .. and this is awkward -- i don't where to go since im playing in other games but...

i might need to read the whole game over again so just giv me a sec, and i will probably post a wallpost where it is actually comprehendable

How is it possible to forget an game you played since just two days ago if i may ask?

its my first time trying to multi game with 3 games i think? haha

i meant like i forgot i was in this game because of it being in night -- i just need to get everything back in my head by rereading the game

[JamesTheNames]

UNVOTE: Cook
I don't think Cook will respond so there isn't any point wasting time.

[GrandpaMo]

I’ve played multi-games concurrently and never forget anything if i’m at the level of engagement you’ve clearly been in.
Are you sure that’s not an excuse?

its not about forgetting -- its more of like "oh i just needa check again what happened here or happened there" etc. like i obviously know the big stuff that happened since you know that affected eod etc but the minor stuff may need to get reevaulated again once i read the game again

[JamesTheNames]

T3 is scum
VOTE: T3

[GrandpaMo]

wait wait @james or can anyone answer this?

if there is no hammer, can there still be an elim?

[JamesTheNames]

wait wait @james or can anyone answer this?

if there is no hammer, can there still be an elim?

Not unless somebody breaks a heinous rule and is mod-killed? Or do you mean during N2?

[JamesTheNames]

I'm going to explain why, in an unfortunate way, you'll see why.
1005 is T3 claiming Cook is town, with at least some certainty. 1025 and 1030 let us realise that rather than a read or vibe, he has a valid reason to townlock Cook. Let's look at the potential options: 1) T3 is a cop, 2) Cook is a Friendly Neighbour, 3) T3 and Cook are mason buddies, 4) T3 and Cook are scum buddies, 5) T3 is a tracker, or 6) T3 is simply scum claiming Cook is town objectively because Cook is.
1) Why would Cop hint at themselves being cop Day 2 when they found a town?
2) We will come back to this.
3) T3 has been seen to scumlean Cook, this wouldn't happen if they were buddies.
4) I can see this being a thing completely.
5) Let's say T3 is a tracker and saw Cook do something, T3 has no way of knowing if Cook was a Mafia Roleblocker or a Mafia Rolecop, so he wouldn't hitn himself as a Tracker, or Cook did nothing, but T3 isn't new and I think knows about the fact 1 scum can do both actions.
6) It looks good for him in the long run if Cook turns green as he can later claim Cop or Tracker.

4 and 6 T3 is just scum.

2) This is the important one to consider. First things first, the basic consensus of the group appears to be T3 is scummy, the only person who seems to disagree is GrandpaMo. Assuming Cook is the Friendly Neighbour, this means he also Town READS T3, as Friendly Neighbour you WOULD target your strongest town read, so you don't waste it, in your eyes, on scum, who already know your alignment. First of all I found no reason for Cook to town read T3, or anything from Cook really, so I had to reread a lot for this. Secondly, 1007 is what makes me convinced Cook isn't a Friendly Neighbour. Thirdly why would

town

hint at one of their Power Role reads? I can think of reasons for scum to do it. I don't understand this. This isn't possible in my eyes at all.

Meaning only options 4) and 6) are a thing, meaning T3 is scum. Thank you.

[JamesTheNames]

I implore town if we agree, to hammer T3 over GrandpaMo, because we at least get much more content from GrandpaMo.

[T3]

Look at the circumstances of how I came to towread cook.

[JamesTheNames]

Look at the circumstances of how I came to towread cook.

I asked if you had a case for Cook to be town. You said no. I asked if it was vibes. You said no. Meaning it wasn't a progression from analysing Cook's posts, nor progression from vibes.

[JamesTheNames]

In fact if it were read progression, you said in a previous game he did the same and it was scummy, and while I hate the concept of meta, it seems to me like you'd like it, so I'm going to say with certainty you scum read cook at the end of Day 1.

[alstroemerial]

^ Actually I'll tell you how I feel regarding Cook regardless of what T3 may or may not explain, even though I dislike how little input we get from Cook I don't think Cook is scum, there isn't a world Cook kills Zyla, I don't think.

Who do you think is a likely scum partner for T3 if not Cook? Do you think GrandpaMo and T3 is a possible team?

What's everyone's read on Cook?

I've been SL or SR-ing Cook for almost the whole game and Cook hasn't done anything to make me change my mind.

^ This does indeed mean I think Val89 is actually the most town currently.

Did Val do something particularly towny that made you change your mind, or is Val towny more by PoE based on the association reads? Just comparing to back here

252
If I had to say at gun point, probably Val89 or TF3, considering the really unnatural pocketing you did, it also doesn't have to be for reasons of: "let me pocket you so we can hammer James". It could just be used for later on. Regarding you're 219, surely the opposite is true also? Just because they agree with you doesn't make them town, even more reason which you've provided yourself as to how nonsense your early town cred giving to Val89 was.

you also pivoted ur vote from val to me. and this would have implied that you thought i was scummier. but still are bringing up the narrative that i could be scum wit val? so why pivot in the first place if there was a liable chance that i was scum wit val?

I thought you were scummier. Would you not vote somebody you thought was scummier than someone else?

All being said though I do find your 1-6 point argument really compelling.

In terms of T3's post regarding the "circumstances" of the read on Cook, 6 minutes before claiming Cook was town, T3 said he was going to reread Cook's ISO. So, I'd presume he found something in there to change his mind...? But the ISO does nothing for me, especially with Cook's wagon hopping action.

[alstroemerial]

^ Actually I'll tell you how I feel regarding Cook regardless of what T3 may or may not explain, even though I dislike how little input we get from Cook I don't think Cook is scum, there isn't a world Cook kills Zyla, I don't think.

Who do you think is a likely scum partner for T3 if not Cook? Do you think GrandpaMo and T3 is a possible team?

What's everyone's read on Cook?

I've been SL or SR-ing Cook for almost the whole game and Cook hasn't done anything to make me change my mind.

^ This does indeed mean I think Val89 is actually the most town currently.

Did Val do something particularly towny that made you change your mind, or is Val towny more by PoE based on the association reads? Just comparing to back here

252
If I had to say at gun point, probably Val89 or TF3, considering the really unnatural pocketing you did, it also doesn't have to be for reasons of: "let me pocket you so we can hammer James". It could just be used for later on. Regarding you're 219, surely the opposite is true also? Just because they agree with you doesn't make them town, even more reason which you've provided yourself as to how nonsense your early town cred giving to Val89 was.

you also pivoted ur vote from val to me. and this would have implied that you thought i was scummier. but still are bringing up the narrative that i could be scum wit val? so why pivot in the first place if there was a liable chance that i was scum wit val?

I thought you were scummier. Would you not vote somebody you thought was scummier than someone else?

All being said though I do find your 1-6 point argument really compelling.

In terms of T3's post regarding the "circumstances" of the read on Cook, 6 minutes before claiming Cook was town, T3 said he was going to reread Cook's ISO. So, I'd presume he found something in there to change his mind...? But the ISO does nothing for me, especially with Cook's wagon hopping action.

[alstroemerial]

Not again with the double post sorry >.<