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[Elsa Jay]

Well, I guess Elsa can't be TMI about KittyTacky's town alignment because there are two scum teams in this game. So maybe if KittyTacky flips town, Elsa's town as well. Otherwise, if KittyTacky flips scum, there's an obvious connection to be made that Elsa is partners with Kitty.

I think he's just an awkward but nice guy who sheep's people while trying to give town ideas.

My scum detector is fully erect from this and it won't calm down. Intuition says TMI, but I don't know how TMI you could really be as scum in a 2-team game.

nom what's your take?

I'm just a confident guygal. Always speaking in "maybes" suck so if I speak confidently people listen to me. It works very well.

Read my other town games and compare them to my scum games. Confidence is an easy thing to have, so it works out for me to always townread people first before scumreading them. "Innocent until proven Guilty", as the American court system would say.

[Titus]

I actually like Kitty as town. Saying this is all bullshit in a sea of mechanics talk is a good position.

I'm sick of the mechanics talk too. The setup will reveal itself with time.

[Titus]

Well, I guess Elsa can't be TMI about KittyTacky's town alignment because there are two scum teams in this game. So maybe if KittyTacky flips town, Elsa's town as well. Otherwise, if KittyTacky flips scum, there's an obvious connection to be made that Elsa is partners with Kitty.

Not sure I agree with this. Even if Elsa flips scum, it's a factor, not a confirmation. It could be a pocket.

This depends on Elsa scum first.

[LuciferMorningStar]

I think he's just an awkward but nice guy who sheep's people while trying to give town ideas.

My scum detector is fully erect from this and it won't calm down. Intuition says TMI, but I don't know how TMI you could really be as scum in a 2-team game.

nom what's your take?

You actually used the word erect and weren't referring to a penis wow, who does that?

[ActionDan]

@MOD

Setup Information

All scum parties are default-multitasking.
There are two scum parties.

The verbiage suggests there are multiple(2) anti-town factions consisting of more than one member. Could you confirm this is the case? If not, is it then a possibility that one "scum party" consists of a single member, i.e., what we'd think of as a traditional third party?

Can I take it to mean that "multitasking" means scum members can use both factional and active abilities at the same time? Otherwise, what does this mean?

[Sirius9121]

@MOD

Setup Information

All scum parties are default-multitasking.
There are two scum parties.

The verbiage suggests there are multiple(2) anti-town factions consisting of more than one member. Could you confirm this is the case? If not, is it then a possibility that one "scum party" consists of a single member, i.e., what we'd think of as a traditional third party?

Can I take it to mean that "multitasking" means scum members can use both factional and active abilities at the same time? Otherwise, what does this mean?

Question 1: It is a possibility. Scum 'parties' indicate a multi-player party. You can't just go party with yourself, right?
Question 2: Yes. It means that scum party members can use their own abilities and the factional kill at the same time.

[ActionDan]

Ok lovely thank you. The definitions for multiball were always a tad murky to me.

Kitty, how many times have you experienced an early RVS wagon formed by scum as opposed to one formed by town?

[ActionDan]

Saying this is all bullshit in a sea of mechanics talk is a good position.

Are you attributing this stance to kitty? If so could you indicate where this occurs in his posts, or otherwise what you mean and in either case why this makes you lean town on kitty.

[T3]

ActionDan gets a lot of townpoints for this. If he were scum then he would already know what parties and multitasking mean from his role PM/scum PT. I also don't think him asking is faked because he didn't do it in an overly showy way and he appeared to have looked at the rules with detail.

[humaneatingmonkey]

While I agree that ActionDan could be town, I disagree that the asking part is easily fake-able for someone with 10 years of experience in the game I think being willing to give someone townpoints to Almost50 so early in the game is the townie part.

Not sure I agree with this. Even if Elsa flips scum, it's a factor, not a confirmation. It could be a pocket.

If there are two scum teams, how will scum be able to know if they're pocketing town or if they're pocketing scum? What value would it have to whiteknight anyone who you think could flip scum? What value would it have to pocket anyone who you think could be potential rival scum? I don't see that happening unless the other scum is informed about who is the other scum (which I doubt).

[humaneatingmonkey]

I disagree that the asking part is easily fake-able for someone with 10 years of experience in the game

EBWOP: I disagree that

the asking part is townie.

It's easily fake-able for someone with 10 years of experience in the game.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Admittedly, this is my first large normal and this is my first multiball. I don't know jackshit about multi-ball scum strategy.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I actually like Kitty as town. Saying this is all bullshit in a sea of mechanics talk is a good position.

I'm sick of the mechanics talk too. The setup will reveal itself with time.

I thought I understood it but upon re-reading, I realized I don't understand this. Can you rephrase?

[ActionDan]

I can take a wagon so you can pressure me, but considering I'm a liar you know I won't claim VT anyway even if I am one, so I'd say go after a better player atm. Titus is a good player to be able to read early so I'm starting there.

Is this a joke? Have you actually claimed non-VT as VT? How do you plan to read Titus early from your vote, and if it's related to pressure of some sort, what do you hope to accomplish when you announce it?

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: KittyTacky

> Votes me because I'm the third vote in the wagon.
> Obviously, scum makes wagons.
> And not only that, scum often makes wagons 3 pages in.
> I'm not even the third vote in the wagon.

This is what it looks like when scum is trying to fake a reason to vote 4 pages in.

Well I thought RVS wagons were a scum thing. I heard it

was

but I don't remember where. Apparently not.

I am still a relative noob to this site and the meta.

Ok lovely thank you. The definitions for multiball were always a tad murky to me.

Kitty, how many times have you experienced an early RVS wagon formed by scum as opposed to one formed by town?

In the game I linked I, a scumbuddy, and someone who later turned out to be a traitor pushed a LHF townie early. Here is the link again. https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86404

I think this is where I got the idea that early wagons often have scum on them. Too little of a sample size however.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Is this a joke? Have you actually claimed non-VT as VT? How do you plan to read Titus early from your vote, and if it's related to pressure of some sort, what do you hope to accomplish when you announce it?

I really like ActionDan I hope he isn't scum

[KittyTacky]

I actually like Kitty as town. Saying this is all bullshit in a sea of mechanics talk is a good position.

I'm sick of the mechanics talk too. The setup will reveal itself with time.

I thought I understood it but upon re-reading, I realized I don't understand this. Can you rephrase?

Yeah where did I call bullshit on mechanics talk?

[ActionDan]

ActionDan gets a lot of townpoints for this. If he were scum then he would already know what parties and multitasking mean from his role PM/scum PT. I also don't think him asking is faked because he didn't do it in an overly showy way and he appeared to have looked at the rules with detail.

As HEM has said, I'd like to think I can fake that as scum. My main goal though is simply eliminating the possibility that his is 3/1. I think we are likely in 2/2/1 or else 3/3 where there's a restriction on factional killing power (like one team is odd night kills, other team is even etc.)

[humaneatingmonkey]

Well I thought RVS wagons were a scum thing. I heard it was but I don't remember where. Apparently not.

Why apparently not? Have you changed your mind and now think I'm town?

[KittyTacky]

Well I thought RVS wagons were a scum thing. I heard it was but I don't remember where. Apparently not.

Why apparently not? Have you changed your mind and now think I'm town?

Yeah your response looked like a townie who was accused rather than a scum who was accused (and so was NNNs). I can tell the difference between that at least.

UNVOTE: for now.

[Elsa Jay]

Pressure is pretty good. These dayphases are less then a week so getting it early who we can trust is imperitive. Pressure works one of two ways: blunt tag-team or public attack.

Public attack means the entire town turns on one person and they react accordingly. It's effective but doesn't usually end with the target living.

Blunt tag-team means we'll work together to read a player better by encouraging them specifically to give more content. This way every one wins.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Yeah your response looked like a townie who was accused rather than a scum who was accused (and so was NNNs). I can tell the difference between that at least.

What's the difference?

[KittyTacky]

Yeah your response looked like a townie who was accused rather than a scum who was accused (and so was NNNs). I can tell the difference between that at least.

What's the difference?

I didn't see you get flustered at all in your posts after my accusation. At least

I

would get quite flustered if I was scumread early as scum.

[ActionDan]

Pressure is pretty good. These dayphases are less then a week so getting it early who we can trust is imperitive. Pressure works one of two ways: blunt tag-team or public attack.

Public attack means the entire town turns on one person and they react accordingly. It's effective but doesn't usually end with the target living.

Blunt tag-team means we'll work together to read a player better by encouraging them specifically to give more content. This way every one wins.

If this is your stance then why have you seemingly selected the first path in regards to titus?

[humaneatingmonkey]

What's your read list right now, KittyTacky?