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[ActionDan]

Okay I understand. I am not the best at making alignment indicative conjectures based on tonal reads which is close to what I think you are doing. I do think the diction/rhetoric he choose to get his points across could have been better, but I do think they are otherwise fine.

VOTE: Elsa Jay

I continue to think the attempt to vote Titus for pressure was simply not organic.

[Elsa Jay]

It was organic. That's why I got bored immediately instead of sticking to an agenda.

[ActionDan]

kitty's posting so far looks pretty thoughtful so I'm thinking they're town for that

You say this but its hard to measure how thoughtful they really are when consistently they've been forced to concede that their thoughts to start out with were flimsy. I wouldn't say they've completely cracked under pressure though.

[Gamma Emerald]

after reading up from where I was last anchored I feel even better about my hem read
VOTE: humaneatingmonkey
I don't particularly object to elsa though fwiw

[Gamma Emerald]

kitty's posting so far looks pretty thoughtful so I'm thinking they're town for that

You say this but its hard to measure how thoughtful they really are when consistently they've been forced to concede that their thoughts to start out with were flimsy. I wouldn't say they've completely cracked under pressure though.

I've been in a position where I've had to walk back misplaced confidence as town before, so I get where kitty is at

[ActionDan]

well normally if I had the thought "hmm, I'd like to find out if Titus is town," my first idea would not be to vote them and publicly declare it was to provoke a reaction, which clearly defeats the purpose. If you don't think the person is doing enough, simply asking them for thoughts can be sufficient. There is also of course material they've posted that can be questioned (I was able to), of which you tacitly admit by saying that "Titus continues to solve the game" which implies they were posting relevant thoughts. Your phrasing also implies that Titus was doing standard town things by solving the game, so again it calls into question your impetus for the idea that you needed to figure out if Titus was town.

[Dunnstral]

Can we stop referencing ongoing games

[Elsa Jay]

Well my first plan was to vote Dunn but he voted me first so me voting him back would've just looked weird. So Titus was my backup name to put down cuz she IS a good person to know the alignment of.

[Gamma Emerald]

Can we stop referencing ongoing games

it only happened once to my knowledge

[ActionDan]

It feels a little surreal talking to you because it does not appear you have other scumhunting techniques aside from reaction tests. Dunnstral is right there, you are able to ask him about the game if you'd like

[Titus]

VOTE: Elsa Jay

If you were intending to pressure me, you never stated what for. You never attempted to sort out what posts of mine needed sorting, which my bonehead post on Kitty could have. You never ask for my opinion. Your post was glorified RVS at best, when we're out of RVS.

What's your read on monkey?

[Elsa Jay]

I mean why scumhunt super hard day 1? I do more later in the game, so basic talking to people day 1 is what I do until I know a little more..

Edit: pressure on ya cuz I know you can take it, and if I confirm your town to me atleast I know your track record is pretty good in finding scum.

If you mean HEM he's going extra paranoid and trying to lead the game. I wouldn't say SUPER scum indicative, but it doesn't feel like he leading it for town but for his own safety. Sounds weird if I put it like that.

Town for now, but wouldn't be surprised if he's scum trying to eliminate the bigger threat first.

[Nero Cain]

I think this is my worst nightmare. I can't get the net to work on my desktop so I'll try to play on my phone. Wish me luck.

[Titus]

I'm very ok with my Elsa Jay vote.

Town want to scumhunt every day.
If you believe my track record is good at finding scum, then why are you wanting to do a pressure vote on me before I even generate those reads? Why not instead give me the tools to find scum and see what I do with them?

I also do not appreciate your hedge on hem.

[Titus]

I think this is my worst nightmare. I can't get the net to work on my desktop so I'll try to play on my phone. Wish me luck.

Good luck.

[Almost50]

Yes it's only 3 votes but scum can pile up. One scumteam voting him + someone else voting is already E-2 which could be lolhammered (denying town discussion) or out a strong PR early. I wouldn't be scared if it was a few pages later and a legitimate reason to SR him.

Now I'm confused. You assume one Scum team (3 votes) + "someone else" makes it E-2 "which could be lolhammered" with an additional 2 (presumably scum) votes. Doesn't that imply you should be TRing the 3 voters on T3 already? Yet you're voting HEM, implying you expect every scum player to be voting the wagon at some point?? Is T3 confirmed to you?? See where I'm coming from (or rather puzzled about)?

I think it'd help if you provided reads on T3, nom, HEM & AD with a brief reasoning for each. It won't solve the whole problem, but it would help me figure where you're coming from. Thank you

[cyrus62]

pretty sure nom and hem are scum on diffent teams

Based on what for nom?

ive seen his town play and scum play recently this isn't there town play.

[cyrus62]

Pretty sure gamma is town here they are more laid back as scum till end game.

[Almost50]

This doesn't feel right, personally. Last time I played with Kitty he was a PR and made mistakes, so I don't know how much he improved but I wanna give him the benefit of the doubt this time.

Elsa, serious advice here:

If you're Scum you should shut up, and if you're Town you should SHUT UP. Here's why:

As scum you tend to chainsaw your partners, so those who know you (myself included) will take note of it. If you are Town I don't know that; thus will still take note of it and will suspect you are Scum chainsawing a buddy. Result: Kitty gets eliminated (which would be good if Kitty is Scum ,but would put you in trouble regardless of your alignment). If Kitty is Town then your interference is bad for them and for the Town, and once they do flip Town you'll probably be accused on WKing still (again; regardless of you alignment). In short, I guess what I'm saying is I don't trust you and don't see a realistic chance that I will in the foreseen future. I like the person you are (which should go without saying) but until you flip I'd advise you to double check or even treble check every letter you type.

[Nero Cain]

You scum again, nom?

Human monkeys iso is cringe

[Almost50]

I think that T3 scumtell would have yielded null results because we called it out too early

That avi of yours, man. Everytime I come into the thread I feel like lighting a cigarette.

[cyrus62]

I think this is my worst nightmare. I can't get the net to work on my desktop so I'll try to play on my phone. Wish me luck.

I wanted to change my name to nightmare for along time

[cyrus62]

I think this is my worst nightmare. I can't get the net to work on my desktop so I'll try to play on my phone. Wish me luck.

I wanted to change my name to nightmare for along time

[cyrus62]

Nero is normally more active as town.

[Elsa Jay]

Ouch, Almost. The truth hurts.

Not my fault people assume protecting people is a bad thing nowadays in Mafia land. Though I do think that tell of yours is wrong if (from just memory of games) you townread me 5 separate times as scum.

I'll leave it be then and won't defend people today I guess.