Townstumps Mafia (Endgame)

[Jingle]

I think that would be a mistake. First, there's a stark difference between not listening and not sheeping, and I don't think anyone should be sheeping the stumps. The stumps having too much influence on the lim just makes everyone else harder to read. Second, I find there's a surprising amount of accuracy in the reads of new players and people who are generally considered limbait, and removing the wifom of what if those takes are just coming from scum makes them much more valuable to examine. It is the last category I would have chosen on for a reason though.

[DkKoba]

I think WIM is the most important thing to bring in a stump game as a stump. To push things without fear of retaliation.

[Jingle]

guaranteed survival to endgame

This is a drawback of the stump role, not a feature imo. A stump never gets the push to reexamine if they're on the wrong path because scum hasn't killed them off yet.

[Jingle]

Fittingly, this conversation is how I imagined the stumping process would go, conflicting ideals over what people want in a stump and people bowing out of the process during that.

[Jingle]

I think WIM is the most important thing to bring in a stump game as a stump.

I agree that this is important. If you'll note all of my proposed names were active and stayed active. I just fundamentally disagree with the idea that finding scum is a stump's primary utility.

[Titus]

I think having a whole phase to selecting the stumps dragged down the game. At max, if at all, include a 48 hour discussion period for those who want to be stumps. Then have everyone rate each other on a scale. Fewest two are stumps. Ties are broken randomly.

[Titus]

I think WIM is the most important thing to bring in a stump game as a stump.

I agree that this is important. If you'll note all of my proposed names were active and stayed active. I just fundamentally disagree with the idea that finding scum is a stump's primary utility.

I agree with this.

A town stump's utility is to get the best from town, especially if they disagree from them.

[Moongrass]

I brainfarted and either thought I had said I was targetting the Fey hydra or misread my own post where I said who I was targetting, I forget which

Lmao!

[Jingle]

I think having a whole phase to selecting the stumps dragged down the game. At max, if at all, include a 48 hour discussion period for those who want to be stumps. Then have everyone rate each other on a scale. Fewest two are stumps. Ties are broken randomly.

I agree. The point of this game (other than to hopefully create a fun experience for the players) was to see if doing it this way would make the stump game paradigm less prone to toxicity, and I think the answer was a resounding no. This game was less toxic than some stump games in the past, but I think that's largely a testament to the characters of the people involved, not any measures I took. I would not suggest anyone try to recreate the experiment.

[DkKoba]

I will say I feel bad for norwee bc he didnt at least check out of the game lategame and i could see him trying so my goal was to pocket him the most

[House]

This game was less toxic than some stump games in the past, but I think that's largely a testament to the characters of the people involved, not any measures I took.

I know this is par for the course for the rest of the players in this game, but I'm proud of the fact that I was able to avoid the toxicity that once made me infamous.

[DkKoba]

I played my slanky scum meta so i was less toxic

[jjh927]

guaranteed survival to endgame

This is a drawback of the stump role, not a feature imo. A stump never gets the push to reexamine if they're on the wrong path because scum hasn't killed them off yet.

I mean, if you don't get too stuck in the POE mindset then you can reexamine anyway. I don't think I've ever reexamined the game as a consequence of remaining alive

[Jingle]

Oh, and regardless of the scumsidedness of the setup itself, I definitely think scum earned this win with good play, let me be clear on that.

[Titus]

I think most of town expected a weak hider to have no counterplay, which is bad thinking on our parts.

[Titus]

The hydra did recover after their flub.

[cyrus62]

oh i would have so much fun as strump people would get so angry.

[DkKoba]

The hydra did recover after their flub.

Nancy actually scumslipped on d3

[Titus]

Where?

[DkKoba]

\o/. He’s checking jjh. Xmas came early.

[DkKoba]

Meant for the scum pt

[Titus]

I inferred that was town overconfidence in the game being solved.

[Gamma Emerald]

Now I’m wondering if my one offsite scum slip could have been played around without faking post restriction

[DrippingGoofball]

Also DGB basically not playing and having no WIM whatsoever is probably directly correlated with them being given an confirmed town role. They didn't really care about the game because there was no threat to them and thus it was more boring to solve too.

Loyal neighbourizer or mason is more fun but I would have had WIM but you really never want to be IC at any rate because you’re basically an just an NK waiting to happen.

Also, Pooky v FL was ridiculously townsided. Town had disloyal cop, roaming doc, ungated vig and a supersaint enabler, while we had an alien, supersaint and 2 freaking goons ffs! lolololol

And Mastina, I don’t recall you calling that extremely townsided, which it clearly was.

You are both right.

[Nancy Drew 39]

The hydra did recover after their flub.

Nancy actually scumslipped on d3

I was planning on redacting this.

Now if I ever use that phrase, “Xmas came early,” people will autoassume this and I’ve used this expression as town as well.