MT 2219: The Battle of Calculasia - Endgame

[nomnomnom]

Because I was asking how we could help you achieve that goal, and you didn't respond to that question.

Where?
I would have noticed someone engaging with my post if that happened.
I just checked your ISO and I don't see it.

[MURDERCAT]

Right now I don't know who else to vote for.

Almost?

[MURDERCAT]

Xlos you can't still be null on both almost and myself. How many scum do you think there are in the two of us?

[MURDERCAT]

These are xlos's reads:

{Jake}
{Toog, nom}
{Wheme, Almost, MC, Italiano/Gardon}
{Goofball, Flea, Titus}
{T3}

Feels bottom heavy

[Jake The Wolfie]

These are xlos's reads:

{Jake}
{Toog, nom}
{Wheme, Almost, MC, Italiano/Gardon}
{Goofball, Flea, Titus}
{T3}

Feels bottom heavy

Assuming this is true, why? Why does this feel bottom heavy?

[Xlos]

Because I was asking how we could help you achieve that goal, and you didn't respond to that question.

Where?
I would have noticed someone engaging with my post if that happened.
I just checked your ISO and I don't see it.

Okay, I believe you on that. See the below quote:

nomnomnom: Town lean. Posts seem fine. Though I guess there's one thing that seems a bit weird to me, in 26 he says something good will happen if we end on a prime number of pages and follows up with 87 indicating that it's serious. It seems fake to me though: if that was really his role, then wouldn't Ircher have been more specific about it?

I mean, do days end when the hammer happens, or after the discussion?

@nomnomnom please elaborate on this. I'm also not sure how much believe that a role with that kind of requirement would exist for some reasons that I will not mention. In any case, I think it's worth listening to, and ending days at the right time.

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These are xlos's reads:

{Jake}
{Toog, nom}
{Wheme, Almost, MC, Italiano/Gardon}
{Goofball, Flea, Titus}
{T3}

Feels bottom heavy

Yeah, when I write 'scum lean' here, I'm considering a 50/50 a priori chance of being scum. While this isn't really true, it helps create more discernable categories. I also think that the lack of posts has lead to me feeling more negative about people in general.

[MURDERCAT]

Assuming this is true, why? Why does this feel bottom heavy?

Having only a single town read is weak when 75% of the game is town

[Xlos]

Xlos you can't still be null on both almost and myself. How many scum do you think there are in the two of us?

Most likely scenario I think that both of you are town. Originally I thought that Almost50 just wanted to stir up some action and targeted you basically at random, but then there were signs later on that he was serious about it. And a lot more people joined him on that trip that I would have expected. I think scum hopping on a town-created wagon makes the most sense, but I really have no idea.

You reacted pretty reasonably to the targeting, and part of the reason it's hard for me to get reads here is because a decent amount of the argument was just black and white statistics. The only possible scummy thing would be if Almost was faking the data, but I really doubt that anyone would do that, and it doesn't seem that unreasonable anyways (see: 20% chance of it happening by coincidence).

[nomnomnom]

Xlos that was when you posted your readslist, I was expecting you to point you engaging with it beforehand, and it still doesn't explain why you don't engage with T3's claim. And as you pointed you, you're only engaging with it "because I asked to"?
This just feels like scumposting to me.

[Ircher]

Day 1 VC #9

Flea The Magician (1): WhemeStar (189)

Xlos (4) (F-3): DrippingGoofball (74), Titus (100), Galron (267), nomnomnom (269)

Almost50 (1): MURDERCAT (126)
Jake The Wolfie (1): Jake The Wolfie (14)
Galron (0):
T3 (1): Xlos (244)
Titus (0):
WhemeStar (0):
MURDERCAT (3): Flea The Magician (33), theslimer3 (187), Toogeloo (173)
nomnomnom (0):

Not Voting (2): T3 (211), Almost50 (255)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to fade a player.

Deadlines

This phase will end no later than Saturday, July 10, 2021 9:45 PM EDT or in (expired on 2021-07-10 21:45:00).
This phase will end no earlier than Monday, June 28, 2021 9:45:00 PM EDT or in (expired on 2021-06-28 21:45:00).

Moderator Notes

1: If you have regular weekend V/LA, please inform me each week.
2: Please let me know if you have a different pronoun preference than listed below.
3: Thesp's vote counter is really picky. While I said I'd allow abbreviations, it would be very helpful if you try to conform to the spelling of the player's username as much as possible. Case matters as well. If anyone knows how to do nicknames with Thesp's counter, please let me know. (I much prefer MathBlade's tool in terms of accuracy, but it isn't hosted online like Thesp's.)
4: MURDERCAT is V/LA until the end of July 1.

Pronoun Key

1: DrippingGoofball : It
2: Flea The Magician : Fae/faer
3: Xlos : He/him
4: Almost50 : He/him
5: Jake the Wolfie : Any
6: Galron : He/him
7: theslimer3 : They/them
8: T3 : He/him
9: Titus : She/her
10: WhemeStar : He/him
11: MURDERCAT : He/him
12: Toogeloo : They/them
13: nomnomnom : He/him

[Xlos]

Xlos that was when you posted your readslist, I was expecting you to point you engaging with it beforehand, and it still doesn't explain why you don't engage with T3's claim. And as you pointed you, you're only engaging with it "because I asked to"?
This just feels like scumposting to me.

I don't really understand the first part of your first sentence, can you say it again? I think there's a grammar mistake. From what I gather, you're mad that I asked the question in the readslist and not before. But you posted ignoring the question after I wrote the readlist, so I don't see why this would matter. And you're continuing to not answer the question.

I don't think you got my point in my last post either, since it should answer these concerns. I'm not sure if T3's claim is something we should be engaging in. Generally, if someone makes a weak roleclaim or indicator of their role, I don't talk about it. It may lead to giving mafia info they don't need to know. T3 said what he wanted to say about his role, and I'm not going to press him for more unless there's a real need. So the only way I'll want to talk about it is if there's an indicator that it's ok to talk about, and the only person that can give that indicator is the person who knows what the role is. In your case, you said that we could talk about it. And thus we should talk about it. But now that I'm trying to start a discussion on it, you're ignoring it, which is not the reaction that I would expect from someone genuinely interested in getting the requirement of a prime number of pages fulfilled.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Assuming this is true, why? Why does this feel bottom heavy?

Having only a single town read is weak when 75% of the game is town

Do you think that everyone below me on their readlist is either null or scummy?

[nomnomnom]

Xlos that was when you posted your readslist, I was expecting you to point you engaging with it beforehand, and it still doesn't explain why you don't engage with T3's claim. And as you pointed you, you're only engaging with it "because I asked to"?
This just feels like scumposting to me.

I don't really understand the first part of your first sentence, can you say it again? I think there's a grammar mistake. From what I gather, you're mad that I asked the question in the readslist and not before. But you posted ignoring the question after I wrote the readlist, so I don't see why this would matter. And you're continuing to not answer the question.

I don't think you got my point in my last post either, since it should answer these concerns. I'm not sure if T3's claim is something we should be engaging in. Generally, if someone makes a weak roleclaim or indicator of their role, I don't talk about it. It may lead to giving mafia info they don't need to know. T3 said what he wanted to say about his role, and I'm not going to press him for more unless there's a real need. So the only way I'll want to talk about it is if there's an indicator that it's ok to talk about, and the only person that can give that indicator is the person who knows what the role is. In your case, you said that we could talk about it. And thus we should talk about it. But now that I'm trying to start a discussion on it, you're ignoring it, which is not the reaction that I would expect from someone genuinely interested in getting the requirement of a prime number of pages fulfilled.

I don't know how to really formulate this so I'll try my best.
The tl;dr is fhat I feel you're engaging me solely for the purpose of looking like you're discussing with people.
If you don't value claims like that and if you think discussing claims at all benefits scum, then why are you discussing this with me at all?
Do you see my point?

[MURDERCAT]

Do you think that everyone below me on their readlist is either null or scummy?

There were two lean towns as well, but that still feels bottom heavy. Scum has an incentive to have a lot of scum reads because they have more flexibility on where to push. I'm not scum reading xlos at the moment, but it's worth forcing them to take positions regardless

[theslimer3]

Fuck

I accidentally lolhammered a scumreadin my first game.. now this

Yeah that sounds nowhere near genuine.
VOTE: T3

Ok I hit tab and then my post submitted mid edit... I didn't think I pushed enter afterwards but I must have, since my last post has a \ where my cursor was. And correct pronouns.

Anyways.

ItalianoVD: 2 posts so far = super null.

JakeTheWolfie: Probably town. Pretending to want to be lynched is kinda scary to do as scum since your team has some expectations of you. I'm not sure why anysuspects MurderKitty, though. Any seems to get to the point where he believes the 'first 3 posters' rule, then it kind of reads that he suspects MurderKitty because of it. But, uh, there are 2 other posters in the first 3 posters. They are simply not mentioned.

Titus: Null. Maybe a bit scummy? I feel like mafia built that wagon and she was on it + voted me earlier.

I think that's all 12 other people.

I've taken over for Italiano.



I'm cool with parking a vote on T3 until he defends himself better. If he even does. He's just been waving off his reasoning for hammering for quite a while.

[theslimer3]

Xlos you can't still be null on both almost and myself. How many scum do you think there are in the two of us?

What kind of question is this btw? I kinda forgot I can interact with people in this game rather than read and find clues, but this made no sense. I'm not asking from a "are you saying this because you're scum" angle, it's more of a "but why would you even say this" kinda angle
Townfights or Scumbusses can happen on day one just as often as TvS fights.

Were you trying to incite something here or is something going way over my head?

[MURDERCAT]

I was trying to get xlos to take a position on a major interaction of the game so far. I wanted xlos to say whether he thought it was TvT, TvS, or SvS if he didn't want to commit to which of us was scum, for example.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Why does Xlos, or anyone for that matter, have to take a position on a major interaction on demand?

[MURDERCAT]

Because I'm trying to find scum?

[DrippingGoofball]

It's still early but Jake and MURDERCAT give off good vibrations.

[Xlos]

Xlos that was when you posted your readslist, I was expecting you to point you engaging with it beforehand, and it still doesn't explain why you don't engage with T3's claim. And as you pointed you, you're only engaging with it "because I asked to"?
This just feels like scumposting to me.

I don't really understand the first part of your first sentence, can you say it again? I think there's a grammar mistake. From what I gather, you're mad that I asked the question in the readslist and not before. But you posted ignoring the question after I wrote the readlist, so I don't see why this would matter. And you're continuing to not answer the question.

I don't think you got my point in my last post either, since it should answer these concerns. I'm not sure if T3's claim is something we should be engaging in. Generally, if someone makes a weak roleclaim or indicator of their role, I don't talk about it. It may lead to giving mafia info they don't need to know. T3 said what he wanted to say about his role, and I'm not going to press him for more unless there's a real need. So the only way I'll want to talk about it is if there's an indicator that it's ok to talk about, and the only person that can give that indicator is the person who knows what the role is. In your case, you said that we could talk about it. And thus we should talk about it. But now that I'm trying to start a discussion on it, you're ignoring it, which is not the reaction that I would expect from someone genuinely interested in getting the requirement of a prime number of pages fulfilled.

I don't know how to really formulate this so I'll try my best.
The tl;dr is fhat I feel you're engaging me solely for the purpose of looking like you're discussing with people.
If you don't value claims like that and if you think discussing claims at all benefits scum, then why are you discussing this with me at all?
Do you see my point?

I don't see your point. I'm trying to engage with everybody, not just you. That was the point of the read list. You can interpret that as you like. I don't really know how to explain why I want to discuss it any better than I have the these last posts. If you don't want to talk about it, then just say so, we don't have to talk about your claim. If you do want to talk about it, then stop avoiding the question.

[Almost50]

It's still early but Jake and MURDERCAT give off good vibrations.

[Almost50]

My mathmatical skill is comparible to orks.

One... One... More... more... many... lots... chaingun.
VOTE: MURDERCAT

Edit: Vote modified to be read properly by the automated VCer.
~Ircher

I have a City and Guilds Level 2 Adult Educations in Maths

Equivalent to a General Certificate of Secondary Education at Grade C

I would like everyone to detail their relationship with math, your answers will be considered alignment-indicative.

He's my brother. I claim post 314.

Titus can be locktown just for that

how awful it would be if I just stole it..

I have absolutely no clue where I'm from in this imaginary Math Land

Ya'll are doing too much Mathy stuff for me.

I do know how to make 2+2=5 though :3

I don't like this ISO. It feels void of anything meaty, and "assuming" MC is ton the vote on him was opportunistic.

[MURDERCAT]

I feel like that little content is NAI for flea, fae posts as scum. I agree that the iso isn't particularly compelling, but I'm pretty sure the vote on me was just RVS

[Toogeloo]

UNVOTE:

I'm not ready to go in on MC being town, but I was never fully vested in the wagon, and it looks like it's not really steaming along anymore.

VOTE: Flea