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Post Post #150 (ISO) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:35 am

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With 14 players alive, it will takes 8 votes to select a master. Master selection phase will be allocated 7 days.

Saber (2): Caster, Beast
Assassin (1): Rider

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Post Post #151 (ISO) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:50 am

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In post 146, Servant Assassin wrote:I have yet to see anything that comes off as scummy, though beserker's appeal to cabd and the resultant thought to elect a charismatic town leader was off-putting.
Typically people don’t like when someone opposes their game plan. I brought up information I deemed important to make these decisions, and stand by my choices to prefer someone to lead than someone for the role itself.

Lancer is town. I respect them not wanting to lead, but they are town. 85 is self reflective on their own qualifications to lead, as well as actual need and optimization of them receiving the master. I also think that everyone, regardless of alignment wants to be the master, so the “Why is that?” is more about trying to get a read and feels like an unfair nitpick.

Rider should have engaged more, as should foreigner.

With regard to my read on egos, it might be a tad premature. I did find them saying a lot of what I was thinking, but I suppose arguing from a mechanical standpoint and not a scumhunting standpoint is much easier to fake.
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Post Post #152 (ISO) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:05 am

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In post 151, Servant Berserker wrote:Typically people don’t like when someone opposes their game plan. I brought up information I deemed important to make these decisions, and stand by my choices to prefer someone to lead than someone for the role itself.

Lancer is town. I respect them not wanting to lead, but they are town. 85 is self reflective on their own qualifications to lead, as well as actual need and optimization of them receiving the master. I also think that everyone, regardless of alignment wants to be the master, so the “Why is that?” is more about trying to get a read and feels like an unfair nitpick.
The off-putting part was less about the mechanical element (though that comes into it) but more about the concept of a potential charismatic town leader. I don't find those types to have nearly as much value as their lofty name would suggest. I'd be perfectly happy with a potato in the slot if I knew it was town over that.

Where does your town read of Lancer come from? Is it actually from the posts I've mentioned or somewhere else. Even entertaining your charitable version I don't see how you can evaluate his posts beyond the null zone.
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Post Post #153 (ISO) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:13 am

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Not a big fan of Rider's iso atm lol.

You have anything to say other then just your vote?
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Post Post #154 (ISO) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:19 am

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As I’ve mentioned, most of this is coming off the back of listening to what the creator of the game would have done. I also, frankly, agree. Having been in games where confirmed town
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a potato, I’d much prefer someone who is willing and capable of getting us on the same page (such as assassin in the first game). Someone central to prevent us going off on the wrong track via tunneling and the like. It’s honestly strange you don’t see the merit in a town leader, I feel like most decisive wins from town typically have a central figure.

I find not wanting the role for the reasons Lancer listed town, there’s more interest in preserving a good gamestate than selfish desire for the master (I’m not calling anyone out here, because I too have the desire). Ive also liked their tone throughout the game.

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Agreed, as I’ve already said.
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Post Post #155 (ISO) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:35 am

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After sleeping on it, I'm not sure that I particularly care if Assassin's claim is a nefarious scum ploy - I think the risk/reward is in our favor regardless and I wouldn't mind voting there because it sorts them early.
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Post Post #156 (ISO) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:36 am

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Perhaps I was not clear. I prefer a clear town slot ascending to IC-hood even if they are a potato over a charismatic person who people think would make a good town leader
if
they were town, yet was not yet clear. Believe me I've had my fair share of playing with IC confirmed potatoes so I understand the frustrations that come with it.

I think that post is easily fakable and scum ought to be cognizant that at least some of their members would have to fake that kind of reasoning or close to it. I think the way alter-ego did so was a much townier way to go about it. Everyone else has just been playing the game and not had to stoop to giving reasons why its ok for them to not take the IC (or in archer's case has had mechanics reasons).
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Post Post #157 (ISO) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:38 am

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In post 153, Servant Archer wrote:Not a big fan of Rider's iso atm lol.

You have anything to say other then just your vote?
Foreigner isn't impressive so far either, although it's still early.
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Post Post #158 (ISO) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:45 am

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@Berserker - I was looking back over the game, and I am curious who were you referring to in post
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Post Post #159 (ISO) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:01 am

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In post 17, Servant Berserker wrote:Anyone who has not done so already should go read Cabds comments from the first game on the preliminary master vote. The short version is decide on a charismatic player to receive it, and let them either lead town or get taken out entirely if scum.
In post 18, Servant Lancer wrote:In that case, I’m all for being selected :P
With regard to Lancer, I mostly liked this sequence on the first page. The response didn't feel like one scum would make, I would've expected somethng more self-conscious. Posting since then has been largely mechanical so I wouldn't say it's the strongest read, but as far as early vibes go they've been all right.
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Post Post #160 (ISO) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:09 am

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^ that might be the one thing in the iso that looked half-way good.
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Post Post #161 (ISO) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:26 am

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In post 158, Servant Archer wrote:@Berserker - I was looking back over the game, and I am curious who were you referring to in post
Caster. I’ve come around to the idea that we just have polar opposite approaches to the game, but I did not like their constant reinforcement to focus on abilities anyway. I think it’s a pitfall, but there’s clearly more than just them that believes it.
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Post Post #162 (ISO) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:44 am

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Its so hard to associate avatars with reads, when everyone looks so similar
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Post Post #163 (ISO) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:47 am

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You aren’t alone in that belief.

Has nothing stood out to you?
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Post Post #164 (ISO) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:51 am

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In post 89, Servant Saber wrote:
In post 87, Servant Assassin wrote:
In post 77, Servant Saber wrote:My noble phantasm involves me making judgments about what other people find useful
Would you say it's better than a guaranteed cop-shot? That is my offer.
Both would depend on the utility of the target selected. Mine could be better or worse depending on various hypothetical game states. I can't guarantee mine would be better than a cop shot, no.
Scum in this situation can promise everything. Once they win elections they are tree stumped anyway, no risk of being killed for lieing. It shouldn't be used as indication.
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Post Post #165 (ISO) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:53 am

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Lancer 3
Berserker 1
Alter 1

Lancer is the most active person and should be selected
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Post Post #166 (ISO) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:56 am

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I recommend readig this game in ISO. It is way less confusing.
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Post Post #167 (ISO) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:59 am

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I like that Berserker is rational kind of person <3
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Post Post #168 (ISO) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:00 am

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In post 165, Servant Foreigner wrote:Lancer 3
Berserker 1
Alter 1

Lancer is the most active person and should be selected
You would choose someone for the master vote solely on the basis of activity?
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Post Post #169 (ISO) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:01 am

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In post 168, Servant Alter Ego wrote:
In post 165, Servant Foreigner wrote:Lancer 3
Berserker 1
Alter 1

Lancer is the most active person and should be selected
You would choose someone for the master vote solely on the basis of activity?
of course
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Post Post #170 (ISO) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:05 am

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Spoiler:
In post 40, Servant Caster wrote:I don't think hand Mastery to the Town Leader,

a Town Leader can lead without an IC card imo.
In post 42, Servant Caster wrote:I meant to say:

I don't think it's necessary to hand the Master to a Town Leader.

Town leader can lead without being confirmed as town
In post 46, Servant Caster wrote:How would we know who to give Mastery to if we don't know the relative strengths of our NPs?
In post 60, Servant Caster wrote:I don't think it's that bad if we hit mafia tbh
In post 66, Servant Caster wrote:I prefer getting a town master but removing a scum early and getting the information/interactions is also pretty helpful.
In post 72, Servant Caster wrote:Personally I don't really enjoy leading because my reads can be quite terrible at times when I'm off and I would feel incredibly bad about leading town down the wrong direction if I got master'd and then promptly mis-elimmed two players (*_*);;
In post 76, Servant Caster wrote:I assumed post 8 is clarifying what happens in post 0 since post 0 is fairly vague about what the "upgrade" would entail while post 8 is very specific.

I don't think they would get upgraded abilities and ***** ?
In post 82, Servant Caster wrote:Nope I haven't read anything from the first game because I like having new experiences

Caster keeps talking but doesn't say anything about other players. First scum got caught.
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Post Post #171 (ISO) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:10 am

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In post 149, Servant Assassin wrote:Giving this another once over, Lancer is pinging me for scum.

I mostly dislike posts #85 and #100, the first being what the kids call LAMIST and the 2nd is simply that if you are town, you understand the pull that would draw one to wanting to become master. Even if me and Saber did not have strong mechanical reasons to want master, there is a pull that wants to get townread and make the most of your slot, and becoming master achieves that immediately. The "Why is that?" from Lancer basically should already be understood from a town perspective.
the person that assassin shades is actually a lancer, who got townreads
such concidence
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Post Post #172 (ISO) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:11 am

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In post 170, Servant Foreigner wrote:Caster keeps talking but doesn't say anything about other players. First scum got caught.
my first two posts are 2 scum reads and 1 town read
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Post Post #173 (ISO) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:20 am

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yea sure on second page
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Post Post #174 (ISO) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:37 am

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I was at 1 and 1 on page two.
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