micro 1017 is over party

[Rhyme and Reason]

is this a mena sheep or do you have your own reasons? if the latter, could you please share? also what's the status on massclaim?

uh I think it's mostly a sheep. if I had my own reasons I don't remember them now.

I think we should maybe massclaim the action we took last night. That seems mostly without downside? Maybe also worth massclaiming if we have any potions left (but not what they are).

-Reason

[Rhyme and Reason]

I'm very down to end the day again as fast as we did yesterday

18 page days, delicious

~Rhyme

[Rhyme and Reason]

skitter feels scummy today

~Rhyme

[Rhyme and Reason]

I like uh

basically none of this:

VOTE: tris

Posts eod + hammer were Not Good
Also i still dont get your read on me

Also i'm assuming this means scum failed to apply 2 points of damage to anyone last night

I dont really see a reason to not claim this, @rr i gave u the potion u received

Triiiiiiiissssssss why did you hammer bugspray

+ the fact that you randomly started townreading me for reasons you cant really explain
Do you not see why your eod posts were bad or

The sad things is that i lowkey think you're town
Sigh
Dont lolhammer people, especially not before a claim or before people are ready to end the day

VOTE: toog

Pedit ...

Actually
VOTE: retti

@retti the vote had nothing to do with the potion thing
It was more an offshoot of me thinking i dont have as strong a reason to townread you and since you had been around was hoping it would spark an interesting convo that would help me read you better
But then i fell asleep

And waking up honestly i'm more interested in toog so gonna switch back VOTE: toog

It was an impulsive 'oh maybe this will lead to an interesting convo' thing more than anything else

Uh, skitt

What changed between here:

The softing clicked:
- realized she was softing some sort of pr-potion (probably should have realized that before but i didnt)
- which explains why she was impatient to get to night

And then her explanation for why she was townreading me (trying to make me into a scum-target) made sense too

The whole eod makes a lot of sense coming from town-pr impatient to get to night and use their ability, and I'm oncr i realized thay she became a townread

like, we all have potions, I'm assuming that most people have at least one that actually does something, so the explanation here doesn't really make sense that she was impatient because town PR? like if the majority of thread have powers of some nature then why would trjis particularly be so keen to do this? also doesn't really fit with my model of trjis as a player

like this feels like such a stretch of an explanation to me, and I also individually really don't like 450 which just feels very performative especially considering how quickly it's followed by the reversal on the slot?

and then besides that the progression on retti is at odds with what she was saying yesterday? I don't get why retti was suddenly voteable for "not having a strong reason to TR" him when yesterday all she mentioned was town reading him (89), and while she didn't say explicitly that that carried on throughout the day, it was implied: 180 suggests she thinks retti should be higher, and I think that 342 where she says that what retti was saying "resonated" with her also implies that she was TRing him there/identifying with what he had to say. I don't think retti did anything that makes sense that her TR there would drop off or she'd feel the need to pressure him by voting there, and the switch back to toogs immediately afterwards instead of... actually doing what she said she wanted to do also feels off? like if you're gonna vote retti to try to get a more solid read, it feels like it sort of defeats the purpose to immediately tell him that's what you're doing because then he kinda knows the potential pressure of the vote isn't real

~Rhyme

[Rhyme and Reason]

I'm also sort of bothered by the throwaway "RR and bugs feel partnery" comment yesterday, which I probably should have leaned on her about at the time

~Rhyme

[Rhyme and Reason]

I also dislike her reasoning for the T3 townread when I think that T3 saying he's trying to play more like his scumgame is very NAI

~Rhyme

[Rhyme and Reason]

and like I don't get why she's not jiving with the rest of the thread on T3 looking scummy, and that feels like the sort of behaviour of scum to setup for the next day if it's a town flip

like white knight the slot perceptually, while not really doing much materially to try and save it

~Rhyme

[Rhyme and Reason]

I'm in two minds about the best actual vote here today, so discussing that with S_S before we make any changes

still comfortable being on T3 for now

~Rhyme

[Rhyme and Reason]

@schadd_, can we disagree with posts datisi made yesterday without taking damage?

[Rhyme and Reason]

@dats, I'm aware you're around and want me to talk to you and I will, just trying to get clear on the damage taking thing because I don't want to accidentally harm our slot by disagreeing with something

(and lord knows we disagree often enough)

~Rhyme

[Rhyme and Reason]

please don't waste your investigations on me btw

can u explain this now @trjis?

~Rhyme

[Datisi]

yeah that's fine. when i started typing the post earlier, it kinda dawned on me just how much a pain today is gonna be for me because oh boy arguing with others is my favourite thing

i'm around but also watching the game so not really

while we wait, what do you think of my idea to force The Scumms to take damage from me? and also like what s_s thinks, i'm surprised he didn't comment properly on that yet

[Rhyme and Reason]

That seems like a good idea, yeah

also, I think I can out this without S_S being upset? but we had a hurt potion for 1 damage that we used on trjis last night (mainly my call) because I figured that there was a good chance that if anyone else had one they might also use it on her, and it would have been useful to know if the hammer was town or scum

so S_S suggested, and I agree, that making trjis disagree with you today might be a good move because we can essentially treat her as conf!town for the rest of the day if she does, and treat it as a scum claim if she refuses to

~Rhyme

[Rhyme and Reason]

also, dats, re: jk9++ I checked our unreleased hydra PT and can confirm that on March 1st I said "but I think datisi is probably town aorn, I liked his interactions w/ me yesterday" and on march 4th:

"But can we please finally burn a flip on NM tomorrow if they’re scum

I would still comparatively rather have dats in lylo than N_M

At least dats has done /some/ things"

then on march 7th I said:

"I feel like there’s a reasonable chance that it’s just sechyd + 1 of dats/schiav"

and

"Feels like it’s decent odds dats does what he thinks needs to be done vote wise and just avoids justifying it"

so, in conclusion, I TR you initially for your posting, then got some doubts from you voting us at start of D3, and then was more solid on those doubts by the end of D3 with you being on wagon

~Rhyme

[Rhyme and Reason]

so in other words you had me fooled until you decided you no longer cared about having us fooled and cared more about just getting our lim through

~Rhyme

[Rhyme and Reason]

talk to me about my skitter take

~Rhyme

[Rhyme and Reason]

like, *does* my paranoia/concern feel fake and/or performative to you?

a bit, yes

or like... it feels like it's dragging on past the point where I feel like you would be comfortable with me and that makes me uneasy

I don't think I'm out of scumrange but like, I think there are enough slots that are scummy that you should almost be PoEing me town, and I think you (1) would have incentives as scum to not give me a TR (to maybe keep me viable or explain voting me more easily later) and (2) think you know that I like not being given a TR too easily and am paranoid when that happens (see: toogs thinking I'm top town at the point they did yesterday), and can see scum!you doing that to try and pocket me maybe. that's why I mention that it sort of bothers me that by EoD and today you still don't seem like you're TRing me but like.. I sort of think town!you should be?

~Rhyme

[Rhyme and Reason]

I hope that was ambiguous enough to not count as disagreement lol

~Rhyme

[schadd_]

@schadd_, can we disagree with posts datisi made yesterday without taking damage?

yes

[pob long]

i think it is strange so many of you were so urked by yesterday's hammer, there haves to be a better way of ending the day for scum

[pob long]

I drank down one big Gulp but I still dont know what they do. my other one is different. and now I am very busy today, sweating and doing personle things, dont ask!!

[Rhyme and Reason]

okay, this is now endorsed by both heads:

VOTE: skitter30

~Rhyme

[Datisi]

i am realizing that saying that i'm around while the match is ongoing was a mistake lmao i keep looking up and getting interrupted every 20 seconds lmao

re mena's skitt take: i am not sure i like, fully Get your point abt the pr stuff? like i don't really find a problem with what skitter said there since it makes sense to me that if tris had some sorta watcher shot and she already thought bugs was scum that she would hammer

and by extension it made sense to me that skitt's read there would flip once tris came out as saying that

also i feel like i have seen it before somewhere that town!skitt like, didn't get some pr softs that i found obvious, and then figured them out later on and had a similar rxn - i can't remember where but i can try to find it later

re retti vote/push - eeeh. i didn't really *get it* but i have had it happen more than once that skitt's actions and reads didn't necessarily make sense to me and she was town. like in a vacuum it's not Good but saying that i'm feeling a scum agenda behind it would be a lie

i will say that i don't like the t3 read but i was waiting for t3 to properly respond to me to see if i start ~feeling~ it but he is not doing that and at some point i will start yelling at him again

[Rhyme and Reason]

I wonder if voting for Datisi counts as disagreeing with them...

VOTE: Datisi

...why would you try this without asking schadd first?

-Reason

[Datisi]

re the paranoia post - yeah i don't think i'm comfortable doing the poe town thing when my biggest scumread just flipped green yesterday

i don't think you're scummy but like i said it yesterday, last time we were t/t and you found me obvtown you started yelling how we never flip datisi and whatever it was, while here you said you found me obvtown but whenever you're talking abt me you make sure to add the "oh ye if we flip a lot of town i need to recheck datisi in lylo" and like, i don't like saying "no u" but it's giving me an evil vibe of being kept open as a push in lylo?

also your posts entering the day today were mentioning me only as a townread and had me in no poe's, while now you're saying how you think town!me should be town on you already so? i'm not sure what to take away from that?